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Hi,

here an idea to control a water methanol injection by using the "intake air changeover function" on the original RS4 551K ECU. Wink

The RS4 551K ECU has an implemented function to control the airbox flap.
I have blocked my open airbox flap, so I can use this function to control a pump for a water methanol injection.
To do this, I will disconnect the harness connector from the N335 and plug it into a relay to switch a electrical high-pressure water pump.
The N335 is connected to pin 44 of the 551K ECU.

There are 2 values and 1 map to control it:

KFLUKL [load/RPM] at hex 1A906 "Kennfeld zur Steuerung der Luftfilterklappe"
TLUKL [sec] at hex 1A946 "Verzögerungszeit für Schließen der Luftfilterklappe"

and

VLUKL [km/h] at hex 1A947 "vfzg - Schwelle für Öffnen der Luftfilterklappe"

With this info we can control a pump by KFLUKL over load and RPM with a vehicle speed threshold.

I will do this in the next month, because I don't have time at the moment.

The "intake air changeover function" is not documented in the ME7.1 Funtionsrahmen, because it is a special function only in the RS4.
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2012, 12:31:01 PM »

AWESOME idea!

I love it.
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2012, 12:50:14 PM »

Great idea,

because you don`t need a expensive additional WI-controller and can make a fine adjust water injection at high load with the given ECU.
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2012, 12:59:25 PM »

It isn't clear what granularity you can get from the ECU output... is it a pwm?
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2012, 02:19:31 PM »

It isn't clear what granularity you can get from the ECU output... is it a pwm?

No, it seems to be a digital 12 volt output signal from the ECU.

0V = air flap closed (over original N335 function)
0V => relais off => pump isn`t runing => water injection off (with new relais function)

12V = air flap open (over original N335 function)
12V => relais on => pump is runing => water injection on (with new relais function)
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2012, 02:25:50 PM »

I think you could make it PWM in software, just need to find out how often the function is run.
Also need some sort of FET if you want to PWM a pump. Or you can use a solenoid.
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2012, 02:58:53 PM »

Is there a wire/connector for it in a stock S4 harness?
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2012, 01:02:39 AM »

Here a print of the disassembled air flap part of the ECU.

The 551K/Q air flap routine will be find in flash at hex 8A3BB0 - 8A3C10.
 
It seems to be, that the routine needs and uses the following ECU addresses to control the air flap.

IRAM hex 0200 (F800) = nmot  
IRAM hex 0309 (F909) = rl

RAM hex 380CB7 = ?
RAM hex 382D92 = ?
RAM hex 384875 = vfzg

Flash hex 81A906 - 81A945 = kflukl (8x8)
Flash hex 81A946 = tlukl
Flash hex 81A947 = vlukl
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2012, 02:17:10 PM »

Is there a wire/connector for it in a stock S4 harness?

I have a 2000 S4 which uses an A-BOX ECU with an RS4 K file map, and it has a functional air-box vacuum control valve.  There isn't a wire in the harness, but one can add a additional wire to an ecu pin in the ECU harness.  I don't remember which pin number on the harness it was connected to.  I'm in So. Cal.  If you're interested in taking a look at the set-up, we can meet up if you like.
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2012, 10:25:55 AM »

I have a 2000 S4 which uses an A-BOX ECU with an RS4 K file map, and it has a functional air-box vacuum control valve.  There isn't a wire in the harness, but one can add a additional wire to an ecu pin in the ECU harness.  I don't remember which pin number on the harness it was connected to.  I'm in So. Cal.  If you're interested in taking a look at the set-up, we can meet up if you like.
Did you have to flash the K-box EEPROM to run that flash on your A-box ecu, or did you just flash the K-box bin?
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2012, 03:11:23 AM »

Did you have to flash the K-box EEPROM to run that flash on your A-box ecu, or did you just flash the K-box bin?

I am use k-box file too. Just flash k-box file. EEprom change is not necessary. But bear in mind that ideally the intake manifold and the throttle should be from the RS4 - k-box has a volumetric calibration for this inlet.
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2012, 09:27:53 PM »

I am use k-box file too. Just flash k-box file. EEprom change is not necessary. But bear in mind that ideally the intake manifold and the throttle should be from the RS4 - k-box has a volumetric calibration for this inlet.

What happens if they are not from the RS4 rather the S4?  Are there any tables you'd recommend changing?
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2012, 10:58:56 PM »

I like this thread. This is a really good idea. I will see if I can find the intake change over code in the 2001.5 Mbox ECU.

UPDATE:
I found this code in the 551K ECU, but it does not exist in the 551M ECU. If this code is in the 551M ECU then it is not using the same map format, which is unlikely. If you want to tune this map, you will need to run an RS4 based flash image. I don't want to speculate on how much work it would be to port this feature to the 551M ECU.
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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2012, 08:11:23 AM »

NVM

Hi guys.

What means NVM?

Sorry for the stupid question, but some of the english abbreviations are not known to me.
So, sometimes it is hard to understand or follow a thread, for a german guy like me.
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2012, 08:42:12 AM »

What means NVM?

Sorry for the stupid question, but some of the english abbreviations are not known to me.
So, sometimes it is hard to understand or follow a thread, for a german guy like me.

NVM means "never mind".

If it weren't for the German guys like you coming to the forum, there would be a lot less interesting stuff happening here. Smiley
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