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« Reply #75 on: August 23, 2012, 12:13:43 PM »

Here are the codes I've seen and all of the Hexadecimal locations in the Q-box.  This list shows the memory address converted to decimal:

P1068    P1432   P1433    P1525    P1650    
78592   65920   78784   12576   77888   
79936   68000   89536   13696   80000   
117696   74176   89568   13984   264256   
290208   78816   106752   78080   371040   
291008   90208              78304   566208   
319712   92672              207776      
320256   106688              602816      
416512   106880              603008      
416544   123360              605120      
416576                         605728      
428448                         608032      
428608               
429376               
508480               
508608               


Using simple logical intersection, I'm convinced that the DTC table is in the range of  000-13xxx.
There's another ongoing post on this matter which hasn't be solved:
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« Reply #76 on: August 23, 2012, 01:06:20 PM »

Hi guys,

here are the original Audi engine circuit diagrams of the german S4 (265HP/195KW, AGB & AZB, 8D0907551D), and the german RS4 (380HP/280KW, ASJ 8D0907551F & AZR 8D0907551K/Q).
Sorry, but it`s only in german.

Sorry again, but there is no circuit diagram for the US S4 with APB engine found in the german ELSA docu.
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« Reply #77 on: August 25, 2012, 09:23:35 PM »

Here is the US s4 if it helps.
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« Reply #78 on: August 29, 2012, 12:57:22 PM »

thats correct, but no need to swap harness. its only one important wire (cam switching valve bank two, driver side).
so there are 3 options.

-change complete rs4 engine harness
-just fit this one missing wire (pin 115 from ECU)
-code out the fault (CLAENWSE2) in this case bank two is controlled together with bank1, like it is at all S4's

BR

I can confirm this. I put RS4 ECU in my S4, and had the cam sensor fault code. I used S4 wiring harness, and it uses one same wire to the both sensors. RS4 uses one to each sensors. The car worked ok even with the fault code, it was just that the ECU thinks that the other sensor can't get power because the wire is not connected. But actually it is, and you can see the camshaft timing values from block 091-093.
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« Reply #79 on: August 29, 2012, 04:29:25 PM »

We have the DTC fault-code base address.  What we don't have is the DTC fault-code table location.  Until these values are resolved, these problems won't be coded out and the community can't move forward.

Just wondering, is it important that the second wire is added into the harness?  Are there any details or a write-up on adding this wire?
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« Reply #80 on: August 30, 2012, 12:04:42 AM »

No it is not important. Both sensors will get the power anyway. But as someone said earlier, it is easy to connect wore to the pin 115 of you want.

This is funny, I used RS4 ECU, and my tuner put M-box file in to it Smiley Just the opposite as wanted here Smiley
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« Reply #81 on: September 20, 2012, 01:08:02 AM »

To delete the N335 code set 0x106F4 to 0.
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« Reply #82 on: September 20, 2012, 08:12:34 AM »

We have the DTC fault-code base address.  What we don't have is the DTC fault-code table location.  Until these values are resolved, these problems won't be coded out and the community can't move forward.

Just wondering, is it important that the second wire is added into the harness?  Are there any details or a write-up on adding this wire?

DTC table address is 0x12FA4
DTC error class table address is 0x10689
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« Reply #83 on: September 20, 2012, 11:48:28 AM »

DTC table address is 0x12FA4
DTC error class table address is 0x10689

thank you so much!  this thread literally stalled out prior to your post.

For others that don't know, the N335 post above by prj is referring to the airbox-flap actuator which no S4 owners will have.
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« Reply #84 on: November 19, 2012, 11:42:46 PM »

My car has been down for a while, fixing my AC compressor, but I plan on getting it together in the next week-ish, so I'll be able to do some experimenting.


Here's an excerpt from an email I just sent Julex, explaining my thoughts and intended plan of action on this:

"  So, it seems like things for us have to go like this.
1. Get a developed .xdf.  RS4boost posted a huge .kp, and if I'm not mistaken nyet has a program that turns the .kp into a nice .xdf.  Maybe that's something one of us should talk to him about.  Otherwise, prj has posted on the forums an .xdf that he autogenerated.  Also, nehalem sounds like he has since done more work on it, so maybe we should get his updated version before trying to do any more work on that.  We need to get unified on the .xdf development front so that effort isn't wasted.  But as-is, we have enough info to get an M-box car tuned with a K-box.

2. So, prepared with a K-box tune with the basic maps switched in the K-box with my values for fueling, maf etc, I think I'm going to flash an immo defeated K-box 95040 EEPROM with ArgDub's flasher, flash the K-box .bin (via Galletto boot mode if NefMoto won't), and I think everything should work.  Nehalem's issues with the VARDEF and all that I think will be cured by flashing the K-box 95040, which he hasn't done yet.  Eventually I actually plan on getting an immo ignition coil, RFID chip for my key, and adapting my cluster to the K-box, having immo active.

3.  With a running box, I think the pressing (not sure how pressing) issues are coding out the RS4 intake air flap (prj posted solution here http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=2342.msg24639#msg24639 ), coding out the 2nd bank camshaft adjuster DTC (which seems like we should be close to finding, with the DTC table prj listed in the post below the last one linked), and tuning out the oil temp based rev limiter (referenced here http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=2169.msg20878#msg20878 ).

4.  Once those are good, I think then we worry about tweaking the throttle body/plate and knock recognition stuff from the APB.

5.  After that, I'd love to figure out the map locations for all of the pressure conversion maps, and throw a 4-bar MAP sensor in there.  And also LC, NLS, and map switching.


Those are my thoughts on the whole thing at least.  I think someone could have an M-box car running on a K-box in one night if they just flash the immo defeated EEPROM and K-box bin modified for their hardware."

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« Reply #85 on: November 20, 2012, 01:41:51 PM »

Unfortunately, i can't parse the .kp, but prj seems like he can...
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« Reply #86 on: September 03, 2013, 11:37:55 PM »

Did anyone ever get a 551K bin working on a 551M ecu? it seems like all the information is here...
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« Reply #87 on: September 04, 2013, 12:13:12 AM »

Did anyone ever get a 551K bin working on a 551M ecu? it seems like all the information is here...

Nothing of importance is even touched upon here. All this thread has is error class deletes and bad assumptions. I can tell you the ESKONF changes to properly code out the cam sensor diagnosis, as well as the N335, and flashing an immo-off file to the eeprom along with softcoding the ecu to 10711 for ESP, or 10611 for non-esp will get you up and running (do not change the coding stored in vardef, or you'll get a DTC for improper coding), but that's the very least of the issues running the rs4 file on the s4 hardware.

In short, noone worth listening to is going to walk you through it. There will be a LOT of trial and error.
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« Reply #88 on: September 12, 2013, 06:02:48 AM »

I don't know, I haven't had too many issues - it all has been manageable so far Smiley
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« Reply #89 on: September 12, 2013, 07:48:42 AM »

What's the ESKONF required?  What are the more meaningful issues of which we haven't spoke?
I have a bench flasher finally, I just also have a fantastic running stage 3 with no issues, thus no motivation.
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