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« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2026, 02:53:29 AM »
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set KFDRL back to stock for now
disagree there are msdk-ps_w-rl_w issue even at base boost
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« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2026, 07:50:28 AM »
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What do you mean fknbrkn? Or, rather, what do you see that suggests that? Also, sorry if I uploaded a ludicrously-long log--I thought I trimmed it but now I'm wondering if I accidentally uploaded the entirety of it where I accidentally triggered it to start and was too cold to stop and restart it.  The third gear pull is near the very end, and I stopped the log a few seconds after that pull.
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« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2026, 10:47:07 AM »
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Think the MAF scaling is off? If so, how would I correct it?
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« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2026, 01:23:44 PM »
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disagree
there are msdk-ps_w-rl_w issue even at base boost
Not sure i understand what setting DRL to 0 does except totally disable the PID?
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« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2026, 01:45:11 PM »
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Not sure i understand what setting DRL to 0 does except totally disable the PID?
Did you see anything in my log that would indicate improper MAF scaling? I think MAF scaling was likely a key contributor to my last attempt failing, so I want to get it right this time. mshfm_w and msdk_w seem to track with each other until they start to diverge at 4,250 RPM or so. Is that normal?
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« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2026, 02:41:28 PM »
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Not sure i understand what setting DRL to 0 does except totally disable the PID?
thats correct same as cwmdapp 7 / kfldrapp 0 gives base boost and allows initial fueling setup wo killing the engine Think the MAF scaling is off? If so, how would I correct it? msdk is the calculated air mass check the threads about ps_w msdk and so on long story short: while msdk had too much differ from mlhfm_w rl_w drops significantly and also fueling goes off raise ldrxn / hbn to avoid TB closure; plsol 1500 mbar is too low here
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« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2026, 04:19:10 PM »
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OK, I think I see your point about DRL. I can leave it at 0 for the time being. Let's solve airflow through the MAF and throttle body, right? - Increase LDRXN - maximum specified load - to prevent throttle body closure
- Increase KFLDHBN - maximum requested pressure ratio - to prevent throttle body closure
- Keep KFLDRL where it is for now
- Adjust MLHFM table until msdk_w (MassAirFlowAtThrottlePlate) and mshfm_w (MassAirFlow) divergence is minimized?
Does that seem reasonable? I'd be attempting to prevent the two from diverging so that rl_w doesn't drop?
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« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2026, 08:20:10 AM »
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OK, on second thought, I think I'm going to leave MLHFM alone unless you guys think there's an issue there. The tool did the calculations based on what I believe to be accurate measurements, so we'll let that be for now. I was reading up on WDKUGDN. S4 Wiki suggests that divergence of msdk_w and mshfm_w could be brought into alignment with changes to this map and BGSRM. This thread seems to lend credence to that: http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=7404.15 and it also suggests that msdk_w and mshfm_w really should trend together in a way that they aren't near the top half of my range. I'll run the car with the changes that I outlined last night (LDRXN and KFLDHBN increased to keep the throttle open) and log that, but if msdk_w and mshfm_w don't trend well, then I'll dig into WDKUGDN. Thoughts?
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« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2026, 07:36:12 PM »
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OK, so I made a run tonight. It had to be done in second gear due to weather constraints--I couldn't safely run the car through third gear. If that's a barrier to moving forward, I can probably get one done tomorrow in third gear. For now, I've got the attached run log. Do you think MLHFM is scaled correctly? fra_w was .912, and I think we really want that to be around 1.0, right? Or is that a KRKTE scaling issue? Seeing the divergence of air metering and air modeling seems a little odd, so I think it might be an air issue, but I'm still struggling to wrap my brain around all of this. Wiki says to adjust WDKUGDN when msdk_w and mshfm_w don't track well, but WDKUGDN is for alpha-n behavior, right? I have a hard time understanding that blurb. I'll just... um... I'll just go sit in the corner and play with crayons now. 
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« Reply #39 on: February 07, 2026, 09:06:32 AM »
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OK, I gave this some thought last night while I was lying awake listening to tree branches rattle against my house in a wind storm. Because, if I'm up at 0400, I might as well be doing something useful.
I decided to try to rescale the MLHFM table. Just to see what it did. I ran MAFADJUST and gave it the parameters 60 and 72 for old and new MAF ID. I had previously given it 60 and 73. That did not seem to help. fra_w was now .902, and it seems like msdk_w and mshfm_w divergence started a little sooner.
Again, and sorry for this, but the weather here has been really gnarly. We have a lot of snow blowing across roads at the moment, so the safest thing I could do was run a second gear pull. I applied the parking brake to drag the engine a bit so it could load up. I'm hoping the highway clears up a bit today so I can get out and safely do a third gear pull.
I'm attempting a run later today (hopefully with better roads) where I've rescaled MLHFM by running MAFADJUST with parameters 60 and 74 this time. I am attempting to bracket this, I guess, and see if we can find a scaling that keeps msdk_w and mshfm_w a bit closer together.
Or, hey, I could change something else. Let me know what you think. I'll leave this log here for you. It was a little long, so I trimmed it.
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« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2026, 01:41:02 PM »
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I went out and got to get a nice third gear log this afternoon. I have the attached binary running on the car. I'm curious what you guys think. The throttle plate closed before reaching the limiter. Before it did that, the car seemed to switch from following Engine Load Corrected (rlmax_w) to Engine Load Requested (rlsol_w) at 5,200 RPM.
I've attached the binary and the log.
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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2026, 11:57:57 AM »
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Most recent binary and a log of the run. I changed KFMIOP scaling and some of the values values in the table. I wrote this up last night and submitted it, but it looks like the submission didn't go through.
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« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2026, 11:55:17 PM »
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I tweaked MLHFM a bit to try to bring things under control a bit more. fra_w is 1 now, and that seems to me to be a hint that airflow matches the model better. There are still some oddities that I can't explain, but I'd love some guidance... mainly the ~5,000 RPM dips that happen in the airflow models.
Absent any advice to the contrary, I'm going to keep moving forward for the meantime. This is all version controlled in GitHub now, so I can always revert. I'm going to revert KFLDRL back to stock and see what happens. Attached are the binary that I ran tonight with only MLHFM changes, as well as a log from that run.
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« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2026, 01:40:20 PM »
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New binary. I normalized KFLDRL. It ran pretty good--way better than it ran this early into the first time. There was some oscillation, but it wasn't extreme, and it didn't overboost like crazy and max out the pressure sensor. The log is around here somewhere. I apparently forgot to commit the branch for this and the log is still on my laptop at home. I believe I have it here.
There is a weird-looking airflow spike that shows up in ps_w and a few other variables. Can anybody shred light on that or recommend a correction? I have been referencing the wiki, but I can't make up my mind where I should go next. If I can avoid pre-control linearization, I'd be very happy (the high WGDC runs make me nervous with a bigger turbo).
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« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2026, 10:16:20 PM »
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I drove and logged some more tonight. I had some boost control issues and the car went into limp mode on a subsequent run (after this logged file). Same binary as before. The log was set up with some different variables so I could check ignition timing. I'd really be curious what you guys think. I think there is something wrong with the air modelling, or maybe the PID-works... I'm not sure.
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