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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2013, 02:47:46 PM »

Will do that, thx.

N75 electrical plug off: boosting 25 psi, part throttle or WOT.
Is that the expected result (N75 not anymore able to bleed off boost during WOT)?
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2013, 02:51:50 PM »

Not unless you have a 25psi spring?

You have a mechanical issue.
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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2013, 03:16:45 PM »

N75 bleeds off the pressure going to the lower chamber of the wastegate.
Not boost.

N75 can only ADD boost above what you get with it disconnected.
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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2013, 04:27:31 PM »

N75 electrical plug off: boosting 25 psi, part throttle or WOT.
Is that the expected result (N75 not anymore able to bleed off boost during WOT)?

No. When disconnected electrically, the N75 should send all boost to the wg line, which should cause boost to bleed off when the pressure overcomes spring tension.

The N75 DOES NOT BLEED OFF BOOST AS YOU SUGGESTED IN YOUR POST.

I can't stress this enough. It bleeds off boost AWAY from the wastegate, which is a very different thing.

If you are still seeing boost, either the N75 is broken (it is incorrectly bleeding off boost from the wastegate line) or you have torn wastegate lines.

Pressure test your wastegate lines.

Alternately, you can crimp off the hose from the bleed leg (longest leg) of the N75 and retest.



The one you want is the leg pointing to the left above.
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2013, 04:28:55 PM »

Not the point here what the turbo can do.

Of course it is relevant. If the turbo can't make 16psi at redline, then no, there is nothing wrong with it doing 16psi at redline, and much more at lower RPMs
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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2013, 05:42:11 PM »

Of course it is relevant. If the turbo can't make 16psi at redline, then no, there is nothing wrong with it doing 16psi at redline, and much more at lower RPMs

Peak boost occurs around 4k rpm, both WOT (N75 in the 90%) and part throttle (N75 is always at zero %).
Both tapering down at higher rpm.
Under WOT, max boost is 16 psi , while part throttle going to 25 psi.
With N75 electrical connector pulled off, both WOT and part throttle go 25 psi (possibly higher; didn't dare).

If mechanical issue, what mechanical issue could cause the different behavior of the N75/ECU (throttle position dependent) and boost?
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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2013, 05:44:47 PM »

No. When disconnected electrically, the N75 should send all boost to the wg line, which should cause boost to bleed off when the pressure overcomes spring tension.

I will check the N75 / wastegate lines first.
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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2013, 02:21:06 AM »

You have a sticking wastegate, problems with the lines or similar.
Put the ECU away and fix your car.

If WGDC is 0 and your boost is doing all sorts of crazy stuff it's a purely mechanical issue. Nothing to do with electronics.

Personally I think your N75 is hooked up wrong.
You have the long port (bleed off) going to the wastegate and the short port going to the bleed off.
So it's doing the reverse.

That's why when the ECU wants to request boost it reduces it and when it wants to reduce boost it requests it.
You ought to look over other schoolboy errors as well and pressure test the car before going into the ECU Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2013, 05:38:20 AM »

Personally I think your N75 is hooked up wrong.
You have the long port (bleed off) going to the wastegate and the short port going to the bleed off.
So it's doing the reverse.
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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2013, 05:45:30 AM »

Personally I think your N75 is hooked up wrong.
You have the long port (bleed off) going to the wastegate and the short port going to the bleed off.
So it's doing the reverse.

Very much looks like it. Friend brought the car in for timing belt and radiator work; he only mentioned some suddeness during part throttle.
Furthermore, previous owner told him the car has "Giac PC16 X" (does not exist) and 330 injectors. Car has DV relocation.

I take the front off today and go through the connectings (needs new fan blade anyways). While accessible, will move the WG actuator, and measure the N75.

i will report back afterwards.
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« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2013, 09:37:34 AM »

Very much looks like it. Friend brought the car in for timing belt and radiator work; he only mentioned some suddeness during part throttle.
Furthermore, previous owner told him the car has "Giac PC16 X" (does not exist) and 330 injectors. Car has DV relocation.

I take the front off today and go through the connectings (needs new fan blade anyways). While accessible, will move the WG actuator, and measure the N75.

i will report back afterwards.

if you have a mityvac pump or equivalent you can check wg requried crack pressure which will confirm if the actuators leaking, stuck, and what psi it takes to start to push open.
N75 wise.. std valves long leg goes to TIP, centre is charge pipe boost feed and the other goes to the actuator.

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« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2013, 01:52:53 PM »

"long leg" of N75 was connected to actuator, short leg to TIP!

Thanks for all the help.

Will put together tomorrow, but may be end of the week by the time i can take her out for test drive and log run (car is on stands again for more work).
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« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2013, 05:00:21 PM »

"long leg" of N75 was connected to actuator, short leg to TIP!

Thanks for all the help.

Will put together tomorrow, but may be end of the week by the time i can take her out for test drive and log run (car is on stands again for more work).


Exactly as I thought then.
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« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2013, 06:49:48 PM »

Exactly as I thought then.
Yes, you were right on the money. Only surprised that under WOT, the boost was 'only' 16 psi, and weird pressure (for Giac PC16 anyways) of 25 psi only occurred during partial throttle. Any explanation for that?
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« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2013, 02:40:43 AM »

Yes, you were right on the money. Only surprised that under WOT, the boost was 'only' 16 psi, and weird pressure (for Giac PC16 anyways) of 25 psi only occurred during partial throttle. Any explanation for that?

As I wrote above:
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That's why when the ECU wants to request boost it reduces it and when it wants to reduce boost it requests it.

You had it plugged the opposite way around, so it also worked the opposite way.
100% duty cycle would give 0 boost and 0% duty cycle would give max boost.
So on part throttle the ECU had a low duty cycle, and that gave a lot of boost, and on WOT it gave more duty cycle, and got less boost.

Now that you have it in the correct way, it will fall into place, and 0% duty cycle will mean no boost and 100% duty will mean full boost.
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