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« Reply #1845 on: November 08, 2022, 03:16:53 AM »

It's nice that this topic came back to life Smiley

From my experience tuning my own car for my own purposes i must admit that reading and flashing BIN is just the beginning of the work on the tuning Smiley

What is the hardest part is actually modifying BIN. I need to spend about half year in IDA revealing maps and variables to do a decent simple 19T turbo tune on my S60 2.3 T5 Smiley
I have about 130 maps and 180 variables revealed and i think it's not even half of them.
Even making simple 16T to 19T turbo conversion - nothing fancy - i had to modify quite a lot of things, recalculate all MIOP/MIRL/ZW/MDS maps with totally new values to support higher loads for example.

So the holy grail are map packs with decent definitions.
Of course i keep thumbs up for open source flashing soft. It would be great to have such tool.
I can share my definitions for 20KPSC bin (S60 02 T5) if someone is interested.

I am recently working on Flat-Shift routine. I implemented simple function, patched to BIN and it is working. Before boost was dropping a lot between gear changes. Now it's stays on full boost - i am doing around 0,3-0,4s better time 100-200 Smiley But there is one issue, my routine is simply pulling ignition by about -20 degree and it is still not enough. Revs do not go up between gear changes but they don't fall either. My clutch slipped few times. Does anyone managed to implement similar feature with better results? I know that there's solution with cutting ignition with FTOMN=0 but it can fry coils or ECU and i don't want to check it out by myself Smiley
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« Reply #1846 on: November 08, 2022, 06:39:34 AM »

If you don't want to do it with ignition cut, do it with fuel cut.
There is cylinder blending target, redsol.
Override the OEM code and set it to to 5 when you want full cut on all cylinders (if you have a 5 cylinder engine, sorry I'm not much into moose).
This is totally safe, as it is the same as the hard revlimiter (except the hard revlimiter is smarter and it blends cylinder count based on target).
If you want to spool turbo, you can retard ignition + implement redsol based on distance to target RPM (can be from a map). This is at a standstill of course.

This is stuff to make car fast. Not very popular these days because NLS/LC is now mostly used to make the car create toilet farting noises, instead of trying to go faster.

Your NLS becomes literally patching this in somewhere into the OEM routine that calculates redsol (after it's set):
if (nmot_w > X && wdkba > Y && vfzg > 0 && b_kuppl) {
   redsol = 5;
}

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« Reply #1847 on: November 08, 2022, 08:06:26 AM »

If you don't want to do it with ignition cut, do it with fuel cut.
There is cylinder blending target, redsol.
Override the OEM code and set it to to 5 when you want full cut on all cylinders (if you have a 5 cylinder engine, sorry I'm not much into moose).
This is totally safe, as it is the same as the hard revlimiter (except the hard revlimiter is smarter and it blends cylinder count based on target).
If you want to spool turbo, you can retard ignition + implement redsol based on distance to target RPM (can be from a map). This is at a standstill of course.

This is stuff to make car fast. Not very popular these days because NLS/LC is now mostly used to make the car create toilet farting noises, instead of trying to go faster.

Your NLS becomes literally patching this in somewhere into the OEM routine that calculates redsol (after it's set):
if (nmot_w > X && wdkba > Y && vfzg > 0 && b_kuppl) {
   redsol = 5;
}


Have you tried to implement launch control for automatic transmissions?
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« Reply #1848 on: November 08, 2022, 08:50:07 AM »


I am recently working on Flat-Shift routine. I implemented simple function, patched to BIN and it is working. Before boost was dropping a lot between gear changes. Now it's stays on full boost - i am doing around 0,3-0,4s better time 100-200 Smiley But there is one issue, my routine is simply pulling ignition by about -20 degree and it is still not enough. Revs do not go up between gear changes but they don't fall either. My clutch slipped few times. Does anyone managed to implement similar feature with better results? I know that there's solution with cutting ignition with FTOMN=0 but it can fry coils or ECU and i don't want to check it out by myself Smiley

This car seems to have something similar. The ignition angle is set to -15 degrees. And so that the engine speed does not grow uncontrollably, a method is used to turn off the injectors through evz_austot.
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=340.msg148312#msg148312
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« Reply #1849 on: November 08, 2022, 10:00:43 AM »

Very interesting idea with this redsol. I need to dig more in IDA and discover more variables and routines and rethink this strategy.
As i understand redsol is the number of cylinders cutting fuel? So when i set it for example to 3, ECU will cut fuel on 3 cylinders? But how is it going to do it? I mean does ECU cut the same 3 cylinders every engine cycle (2 rotations) or pick some random ones? Cutting for example first 3 cyls (out of 5 in my example) sounds like much stress on the engine (very rough).

As for this guy http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=340.msg148312#msg148312 i saw this a time ago but i doubt this is what i try to achieve Smiley
He did launch control... on the FWD car!? What the heck Smiley
I always thought on FWD cars the problem is too much torque on launch not too little Smiley
I had to reduce boost a lot on first and second gear (KFMDBGRG) to get decent start... and he just builds full boost at launch Smiley I don't get it.
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« Reply #1850 on: November 08, 2022, 11:08:31 AM »

I can share my definitions for 20KPSC bin (S60 02 T5) if someone is interested.

Can you share maps and variables?
I have 2.0T MY02 - 20KPSC - 2001-07-25 and only:

Code:
Name	,Address		,Size		,Bitmask	,Unit		,Signed	,I	,Factor		,Offset 	,Comment
lditv_w  ,0x3028B0 ,2 ,0x0000 ,% ,0 ,0 ,0.005 ,0 ,BoostPID-I-Result
nmot_w ,0xF89E ,2 ,0x0000 ,rpm ,0 ,0 ,0.25 ,0 ,Engine Speed
wped_w ,0x300B04 ,2 ,0x0000 ,% ,0 ,0 ,0.001526 ,0 ,Pedal Position
vfzg_w ,0x301578 ,2 ,0x0000 ,KMH ,0 ,0 ,0.0078125 ,0 ,Vehicle Speed
mshfm_w  ,0xF81A ,2 ,0x0000 ,kg/h    ,0 ,0 ,0.1 ,0 ,Mass Air Flow
lamsons_w ,0x3014EA ,2 ,0x0000 ,Lambda  ,0 ,0 ,0.000244141 ,0 ,Lambda Target Value
lambts_w ,0x304C06 ,2 ,0x0000 ,Lambda  ,0 ,0 ,0.000244141 ,0 ,Lambda BTS Value
lamfa_w  ,0x304C3E ,2 ,0x0000 ,Lambda  ,0 ,0 ,0.000244141 ,0 ,Lambda LAMFAW Value
lamsoni_w ,0x30116A ,2 ,0x0000 ,Lambda  ,0 ,0 ,0.000244141 ,0 ,Lambda Actual Value
fr_w ,0x3012BC ,2 ,0x0000 ,% ,0 ,0 ,0.000030518 ,0 ,Lambda Control (Fuel Trim)
rlmax_w  ,0x302896 ,2 ,0x0000 ,% ,0 ,0 ,0.0234375 ,0 ,Max Load
rlsol_w  ,0x300DDA ,2 ,0x0000 ,% ,0 ,0 ,0.0234375 ,0 ,Requested Load
rl_w ,0xF906 ,2 ,0x0000 ,% ,0 ,0 ,0.0234375 ,0 ,Actual Load
wkrma    ,0xF88B ,1 ,0x0000 ,Deg BTDC ,0 ,0 ,0.75 ,0 ,Average Knock Retard
dwkrz_2 ,0x30071D ,1 ,0x0000 ,Deg BTDC ,1 ,0 ,0.75 ,0 ,Cylinder 3 Knock Retard
dwkrz_1 ,0x30071C ,1 ,0x0000 ,Deg BTDC ,1 ,0 ,0.75 ,0 ,Cylinder 2 Knock Retard
dwkrz_0 ,0x30071B ,1 ,0x0000 ,Deg BTDC ,1 ,0 ,0.75 ,0 ,Cylinder 1 Knock Retard
dwkrz_3 ,0x30071E ,1 ,0x0000 ,Deg BTDC ,1 ,0 ,0.75 ,0 ,Cylinder 4 Knock Retard
dwkrz_4 ,0x30071F ,1 ,0x0000 ,Deg BTDC ,1 ,0 ,0.75 ,0 ,Cylinder 5 Knock Retard
tmot ,0x3007B8 ,1 ,0x0000 ,Deg C    ,0 ,0 ,0.75 ,-48 ,Engine coolant temperature
tans ,0x3007B6 ,1 ,0x0000 ,Deg C    ,0 ,0 ,0.75 ,-48 ,Intake Air Temperature
plsol_w  ,0x30238E ,2 ,0x0000 ,mBar    ,0 ,0 ,0.0390625 ,0 ,Desired Boost Pressure
pvdkds_w ,0x30273E ,2 ,0x0000 ,mBar    ,0 ,0 ,0.0390625 ,0 ,Actual Boost Pressure
ps_w ,0x0000F902 ,2 ,0x0000 ,mBar    ,0 ,0 ,0.0390625 ,0 ,Manifold Boost Pressure
ti_b1 ,0x301554 ,2 ,0x0000 ,ms ,0 ,0 ,0.00266667 ,0 ,injection time for valves on bank1
zwist    ,0x0000F7E2 ,1 ,0x0000 ,Deg BTDC ,1 ,0 ,0.75 ,0 ,Actual Ignition Angle
miopt_w ,0x300D94 ,2 ,0x0000 ,% ,0 ,0 ,0.001526 ,0 ,Optimum Indicated Torque
mifa_w  ,0x300D34 ,2 ,0x0000 ,% ,0 ,0 ,0.001526 ,0 ,Desired Engine Torque
rlmx_w  ,0x30289A ,2 ,0x0000 ,% ,0 ,0 ,0.0234375 ,0 ,EngineLoadSpecified (LoadLimitSpecified)
rlmxko_w ,0x302898 ,2 ,0x0000 ,% ,0 ,0 ,0.0234375 ,0 ,IAT correction for maximum specified load (KFTARX)
ldrlts_w ,0x302894 ,2 ,0x0000 ,% ,0 ,0 ,0.0234375 ,0 ,ChargeLimitTurboProtection (KFLDHBN)
ldrlms_w ,0x302892 ,2 ,0x0000 ,% ,0 ,0 ,0.0234375 ,0 ,ChargeLimitEngineProtection (LDPBN)
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« Reply #1851 on: November 08, 2022, 11:09:34 AM »

Very interesting idea with this redsol. I need to dig more in IDA and discover more variables and routines and rethink this strategy.
As i understand redsol is the number of cylinders cutting fuel? So when i set it for example to 3, ECU will cut fuel on 3 cylinders? But how is it going to do it? I mean does ECU cut the same 3 cylinders every engine cycle (2 rotations) or pick some random ones? Cutting for example first 3 cyls (out of 5 in my example) sounds like much stress on the engine (very rough).

It looks like which injector to turn off is specified in evz_austot. http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=1710.msg16651#msg16651
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« Reply #1852 on: November 08, 2022, 01:04:08 PM »

It's nice that this topic came back to life Smiley

From my experience tuning my own car for my own purposes i must admit that reading and flashing BIN is just the beginning of the work on the tuning Smiley

What is the hardest part is actually modifying BIN. I need to spend about half year in IDA revealing maps and variables to do a decent simple 19T turbo tune on my S60 2.3 T5 Smiley
I have about 130 maps and 180 variables revealed and i think it's not even half of them.
Even making simple 16T to 19T turbo conversion - nothing fancy - i had to modify quite a lot of things, recalculate all MIOP/MIRL/ZW/MDS maps with totally new values to support higher loads for example.

So the holy grail are map packs with decent definitions.
Of course i keep thumbs up for open source flashing soft. It would be great to have such tool.
I can share my definitions for 20KPSC bin (S60 02 T5) if someone is interested.

I am recently working on Flat-Shift routine. I implemented simple function, patched to BIN and it is working. Before boost was dropping a lot between gear changes. Now it's stays on full boost - i am doing around 0,3-0,4s better time 100-200 Smiley But there is one issue, my routine is simply pulling ignition by about -20 degree and it is still not enough. Revs do not go up between gear changes but they don't fall either. My clutch slipped few times. Does anyone managed to implement similar feature with better results? I know that there's solution with cutting ignition with FTOMN=0 but it can fry coils or ECU and i don't want to check it out by myself Smiley


I may have a 2.3 t5 xdf for tuner pro
lemme check
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« Reply #1853 on: November 08, 2022, 01:06:21 PM »

if anybody has ols project files with good definitions, please send them to me.
I can get them converted to xdf for tuner pro Smiley
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« Reply #1854 on: November 08, 2022, 02:35:59 PM »

Can you share maps and variables?
I have 2.0T MY02 - 20KPSC - 2001-07-25 and only:

Vars i use for logging:

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Name            ,  Address, Size, Bitmask, Unit      , Signed, I,      Factor,  Offset, Comment
gangi           , 0x3006C0,    1,  0x0000, gear      ,      0, 0,           1,       0, Selected Gear
nmot_w          ,   0xF89E,    2,  0x0000, rpm       ,      0, 0,        0.25,       0, Engine Speed
wped_w          , 0x300B04,    2,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,   0.0015259,       0, Pedal Position
wdkba_w         ,   0xF8EA,    2,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,     0.02441,       0, ThrottlePlateAngle
wdkba           , 0x300898,    1,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,    0.390625,       0, ThrottlePlateAngle (byte)
plsol_w         , 0x30238E,    2,  0x0000, mBar      ,      0, 0,   0.0390625,       0, Desired Boost Pressure
pvdkds_w        , 0x30273E,    2,  0x0000, mBar      ,      0, 0,   0.0390625,       0, Actual Boost Pressure
ps_w            ,   0xF902,    2,  0x0000, mBar      ,      0, 0,   0.0390625,       0, Actual Absolute Pressure
ldrlts_w        , 0x302894,    2,  0x0000, mBar      ,      0, 0,   0.0234375,       0, Charge Limit Turbo Protection KFLDHBN
vfzg_w          , 0x301578,    2,  0x0000, km/h      ,      0, 0,   0.0078126,       0, Vehicle Speed
tmot            , 0x3007B8,    1,  0x0000, °C        ,      0, 0,        0.75,     -48, Coolant Temperature
tans            , 0x3007B6,    1,  0x0000, °C        ,      0, 0,        0.75,     -48, Intake Air Temperature
rl_w            ,   0xF906,    2,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,   0.0234375,       0, Engine Load
rlmxko_w        , 0x302898,    2,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,   0.0234375,       0, Engine Load Max (no protection)
ldrlms_w        , 0x302892,    2,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,   0.0234375,       0, Charge Limit Engine Protection LDPBN
rlmax_w         , 0x302896,    2,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,   0.0234375,       0, Engine Load Max
rlsol_w         , 0x300DDA,    2,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,   0.0234375,       0, Engine Load Requested
ldtvm           , 0x3008CF,    1,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,    0.390625,       0, Wastegate Duty Cycle
zwout           ,   0xF7E4,    1,  0x0000, °BTDC     ,      1, 0,        0.75,       0, Ignition Angle Overall
zwist           ,   0xF7E2,    1,  0x0000, °BTDC     ,      1, 0,        0.75,       0, Actual Ignition Angle
wkrm            ,   0xF88A,    1,  0x0000, °KW       ,      0, 0,       -0.75,       0, Avg Ignition Retard Knock Control
dwkrz_0         , 0x30071B,    1,  0x0000, °BTDC     ,      1, 0,        0.75,       0, Cylinder 1 Knock Retard
dwkrz_1         , 0x30071C,    1,  0x0000, °BTDC     ,      1, 0,        0.75,       0, Cylinder 2 Knock Retard
dwkrz_2         , 0x30071D,    1,  0x0000, °BTDC     ,      1, 0,        0.75,       0, Cylinder 3 Knock Retard
dwkrz_3         , 0x30071E,    1,  0x0000, °BTDC     ,      1, 0,        0.75,       0, Cylinder 4 Knock Retard
dwkrz_4         , 0x30071F,    1,  0x0000, °BTDC     ,      1, 0,        0.75,       0, Cylinder 5 Knock Retard
ti_b1           , 0x301554,    2,  0x0000, ms        ,      0, 0,   0.0026666,       0, Fuel Injector ON Time
te_w            , 0x301552,    2,  0x0000, ms        ,      0, 0,   0.0026666,       0, Fuel Injection Time
tvu_w           , 0x30155A,    2,  0x0000, ms        ,      0, 0,   0.0026666,       0, Injection time voltage correction
tevfa_w         , 0x301550,    2,  0x0000, ms        ,      0, 0,   0.0026666,       0, Effective injection time before trim
frkte_w         , 0x304C30,    2,  0x0000, ms/%      ,      0, 0,   0.0001111,       0, Factor fuel mass into injection time
rk_w            , 0x301516,    2,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,    0.046875,       0, Relative fuel mass
fra_w           , 0x3014F8,    2,  0x0000, x         ,      0, 0,   0.0000305,       0, Long term fuel trim
rkukg_w         , 0x3014C6,    2,  0x0000, x         ,      1, 0,    0.046875,       0, Fuel mass transition compensation
fr_w            , 0x3012BC,    2,  0x0000, x         ,      0, 0,   0.0000305,       0, Lambda controller (short trim)
dfr_w           , 0x3012B2,    2,  0x0000, x         ,      1, 0,   0.0000305,       0, Lambda controller (short trim delta)
lamsoni_w       , 0x30116A,    2,  0x0000, AFR       ,      0, 0,   0.0035889,       0, Current AFR
lamfa_w         , 0x304C3E,    2,  0x0000, AFR       ,      0, 0,   0.0035889,       0, Target AFR Driver Request
lambts_w        , 0x304C06,    2,  0x0000, AFR       ,      0, 0,   0.0035889,       0, Target AFR Component Protection
dlambts_w       , 0x304C00,    2,  0x0000, xAFR      ,      1, 0,   0.0035889,       0, Delta AFR Component Protection
lambas          , 0x30076E,    1,  0x0000, AFR       ,      0, 0,   0.1148448,       0, AFR Basic
lamsons_w       , 0x3014EA,    2,  0x0000, AFR       ,      0, 0,   0.0035889,       0, Target AFR
lamsubg_w       , 0x3014EE,    2,  0x0000, AFR       ,      0, 0,   0.0035889,       0, Unlimited Target AFR
lamsbg_w        , 0x3014E8,    2,  0x0000, AFR       ,      0, 0,   0.0035889,       0, Desired AFR Limit
lamka_w         ,   0xF80C,    2,  0x0000, AFR       ,      0, 0,   0.0035889,       0, Catalyst Purge AFR
lams_w          , 0x3014F0,    2,  0x0000, AFR       ,      0, 0,   0.0035889,       0, Nominal AFR
lamnswl_w       , 0x302774,    2,  0x0000, AFR       ,      0, 0,   0.0035889,       0, Post Start and WarmUp AFR
lamkhe_w        , 0x3014E6,    2,  0x0000, AFR       ,      0, 0,   0.0035889,       0, Catalyst Heating AFR
lamdiag_w       , 0x3014E4,    2,  0x0000, AFR       ,      0, 0,   0.0035889,       0, Catalyst Diagnostic AFR
dlamatr_w       , 0x304ACC,    2,  0x0000, AFR       ,      1, 0,   0.0035889,       0, EGT sensor correction
B_lamkh         ,   0xFD40,    2,  0x0800, Bit       ,      0, 0,           1,       0, Condition: Target lambda for catalyst heaing active
tabgm_w         , 0x304A86,    2,  0x0000, °C        ,      0, 0,   0.0195312,     -50, EGT Model BeforeCat
tabgkrm_w       , 0x304978,    2,  0x0000, °C        ,      0, 0,   0.0195312,     -50, EGT Model Manifold
tabgbts_w       , 0x304C0A,    2,  0x0000, °C        ,      0, 0,   0.0195312,     -50, EGT Component Protection
mshfm_w         ,   0xF81A,    2,  0x0000, g/s       ,      0, 0,   0.0277778,       0, Mass Air Flow
ml_w            , 0x00F900,    2,  0x0000, g/s       ,      0, 0,   0.0277778,       0, Air mass flow filtered
mldmn_w         , 0x30139C,    2,  0x0000, g/s       ,      1, 0,   0.0277778,       0, Mimimal air mass from map KFMLDMN
mldmx_w         , 0x30139E,    2,  0x0000, g/s       ,      0, 0,   0.0277778,       0, Maximal air mass from map KFMLDMX
mimax_w         , 0x304A48,    2,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,   0.0015259,       0, Maximum attainable indicated torque
miopt_w         , 0x300D94,    2,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,   0.0015259,       0, Optimum indicated torque
mibas_w         , 0x300D90,    2,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,   0.0015259,       0, Indicated basic torque
misopl1_w       , 0x300DD4,    2,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,   0.0015259,       0, Nominal torque for Lambda=1 and zwopt
milsol_w        , 0x300D8C,    2,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,   0.0015259,       0, Driver torque request
miszull_w       , 0x30156A,    2,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,   0.0015259,       0, Maximum permissible internal torque for charge path
milsolv_w       , 0x300D8A,    2,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,   0.0015259,       0, MDKOL minimum of all interventions
etazwbm         , 0x30058C,    1,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,         0.5,       0, Mean basic ignition effectiveness
etalab          , 0x300589,    1,  0x0000, %         ,      0, 0,         0.5,       0, Lambda=1 effectiveness without intervention
For fuel i use AFR not lambda (just self preference).

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« Reply #1855 on: November 08, 2022, 02:42:50 PM »

Can Anyone share info on disassembly? spend lots of time watching andys videod but just dont seem to get anywhere with it…
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« Reply #1856 on: November 08, 2022, 04:20:12 PM »

Can Anyone share info on disassembly? spend lots of time watching andys videod but just dont seem to get anywhere with it…

Read the disassembly threads on the site, however that will only get you so far.
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« Reply #1857 on: November 08, 2022, 07:23:17 PM »

Just want to add and let people know a 50GPHJ will crossflash to a 50GSHJ with no issues, Changed it from manual to auto and it works no issues with the vehicle driving.
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« Reply #1858 on: November 08, 2022, 07:57:25 PM »

Just want to add and let people know a 50GPHJ will crossflash to a 50GSHJ with no issues, Changed it from manual to auto and it works no issues with the vehicle driving.

0 - manual
1 - auto
For both 50GPHJ and 50WRHJ versions addr is 0x18029.

using this i helped a friend cross flash a GPHJ file onto his 50GSHJ  05 R auto ( aw55 )
and its working great!
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« Reply #1859 on: November 08, 2022, 10:58:15 PM »

found on S60&V70's T5&R

'01 MAN-20FWHJ AT-20KTHJ
'02 AT-20KTHJ
'03 MAN-50QGHJ
'04 AT-50QKHJ
'05 AT-50GSHJ/50GMHJ MAN-50QGHJ/50GSHJ
'06 AT-50WRHJ
'08 AT-50WRHJ
'09 AT-50WRHJ
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