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« Reply #2610 on: May 19, 2024, 09:17:54 AM »

Does anyone have a stock bin for a US 04 s60 2.5t FWD?  All i have is my current stage 3 hilton tune read with OpenMoose.
It's R file.
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« Reply #2611 on: May 19, 2024, 11:29:58 AM »

It's R file.

Thank you!  I loaded up tunerpro and selected that bin for comparison to my personal bin.  SO many undefined items between the two I dont really feel comfortable editing anything based on that especially since its a AWD R file and mines an already modified FWD 2.5T file.  Just dont know enough about the verbiage and such unfortunately. 

And since I dont have a quick way to reflash to stock option without buying a VIDA sub, I guess I am just gonna hold off on anything related to this for now.  There seems to be an abundance of information in this thread that would help me, but only if I had some sort of previous knowledge of how this all works or at least the stock bin file for my own car.

I also was going to at least try to do some logs using OpenMoose, but I just realized that you need the param xml file, which I cant seem to find anywhere in this thread or using the google machine.  So I'm up a creek two times.
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« Reply #2612 on: May 19, 2024, 12:11:34 PM »

You can use my tool to log it. Not free, but you do not need a parameter file, as that is provided automatically by the server.
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« Reply #2613 on: May 19, 2024, 02:26:23 PM »

You can use my tool to log it. Not free, but you do not need a parameter file, as that is provided automatically by the server.

Your logging software looks amazing however it would be hard to justify the purchase with zero knowledge of what I'm doing as far as tuning goes.  Would be nice to just have a simple xml file for openmoose just to be able to mess around with since it has the capability already
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« Reply #2614 on: May 19, 2024, 02:43:05 PM »

This might help: https://github.com/spnda/volvo_vida_db
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« Reply #2615 on: May 19, 2024, 09:48:54 PM »


A Bin file extracted from my current vida install doesn't really get me anywhere without prior knowledge of how this all works.  Since I've posted I have gotten the following:

 - prj promoting his logging software in the form of "credits" with a x credit minimum purchase.
- prometey with a bin file for an essentially different car which I appreciate but it basically serves me no good with no prior knowledge of how any of this works.
- and you, athlon for giving me the link to a GitHub in order to extract a bin file from my current install of vida.  Then what?

All of this for a simple xml file in order to load it into the open source OpenMoose program so I can see what's going on with my car from a hobbyist perspective.  Does anyone even use this or is this entire thread full of people who have already worked out what's needed and have kept it in the "inner circle"Huh 

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« Reply #2616 on: May 19, 2024, 11:36:02 PM »

A Bin file extracted from my current vida install doesn't really get me anywhere without prior knowledge of how this all works.  Since I've posted I have gotten the following:

 - prj promoting his logging software in the form of "credits" with a x credit minimum purchase.
- prometey with a bin file for an essentially different car which I appreciate but it basically serves me no good with no prior knowledge of how any of this works.
- and you, athlon for giving me the link to a GitHub in order to extract a bin file from my current install of vida.  Then what?

All of this for a simple xml file in order to load it into the open source OpenMoose program so I can see what's going on with my car from a hobbyist perspective.  Does anyone even use this or is this entire thread full of people who have already worked out what's needed and have kept it in the "inner circle"Huh 



The "simple xml file" you wish for is a collection of memory addresses people have worked out with disassembly through their knowledge of computer science. People are not out to do charity here, some do and they are very kind to do so, but if you read the forums it's about discussing and helping each other learn. If you're not here to learn, I don't think you're gonna get very far. If you simply wish to tune your software for green injectors, you can get away with it by copying over the values from a software using greens, such as the R binary prometey attached for you. Learn about what's needed to change injectors here https://s4wiki.com/wiki/Tuning and then change maps accordingly. If you can't find an XDF for your file then you'll have to make your own. Conveniently, there are a lot of defined maps for different binaries here, where map contents remain the same but at different addresses. If you know anything about hex editing you should be able to find what you need without a sweat. To help you out, KRKTE @ 0x1636A for 50QKHJ. If you want to find logging parameters on your own, learn disassembly. Prometey even put out an almost fully defined .ida file for his own software here, our favourite russian is doing a lot for the volvo community Smiley
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« Reply #2617 on: May 19, 2024, 11:58:43 PM »

All of this for a simple xml file

Making this XML file requires sitting in IDA for hours and manually searching for addresses, this is assuming you know RE.
People who know RE to this level usually get paid over 100$ per hour. A comprehensive XML that has a lot of addresses (not just a few) would cost anywhere between 300$ to 1000$ to make.
This is assuming the person making it has a similar a2l file.

I developed technology to automate this process, that still requires having at least a similar A2L file though, which again is really not easy to get for Volvo.

So yes, you can pay 100$ for credits for my software and log your car for all of eternity. Minimum purchase is 50$ btw, because that's also the price of the cheapest service, but advanced protocol without prior sub costs 100$.
Or you can continue complaining here and hope that somebody is gonna spend hours to make you the "simple xml file". Probably not going to happen.
This is a DIY forum not a "tune my car for free" forum. So if you need an xml file for your software, start learning RE, then make the xml file and post it here Smiley Come back in 5 years when you have accomplished said task. Or pay for a shortcut.

I am guessing you don't work for free, so where does the entitlement come from that you expect other people to?
What do you bring to the table that would motivate someone to use their time to help you?

A Bin file extracted from my current vida install doesn't really get me anywhere without prior knowledge of how this all works.
Nobody said anything about a bin file, that link has software to extract the locations of loggable identifiers from VIDA (those do not help you with a XML though because they are not ram addresses) and on ME7 there is a lot of important stuff missing for tuning.

There seems to be a pattern here. Embracing ignorance and making a ton of (false) assumptions. Not going to get very far with that attitude on here.
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« Reply #2618 on: May 20, 2024, 03:47:40 AM »

A Bin file extracted from my current vida install doesn't really get me anywhere without prior knowledge of how this all works.  Since I've posted I have gotten the following:

 - prj promoting his logging software in the form of "credits" with a x credit minimum purchase.
- prometey with a bin file for an essentially different car which I appreciate but it basically serves me no good with no prior knowledge of how any of this works.
- and you, athlon for giving me the link to a GitHub in order to extract a bin file from my current install of vida.  Then what?

All of this for a simple xml file in order to load it into the open source OpenMoose program so I can see what's going on with my car from a hobbyist perspective.  Does anyone even use this or is this entire thread full of people who have already worked out what's needed and have kept it in the "inner circle"Huh 

Most was said by PRJ but i would just add that even if you get full XML for free and full MAPs definitions for free there is still big chance that you end up with poor running car or maybe even with blown engine (but this is more probable with bigger turbo and more mechanical modification). Its not that easy as most people who begin their adventure with ECU tuning think Smiley But its not "impossible" to do this, you just need a lot of time into this to get decent knowledge. And i am talking only about doing tune on the BIN assuming you already have full logging and full maps defs "for free" Smiley So all depends on your attitude. If you just want to have your car tuned - better pay someone to do it. If you want to learn something because you have a lot of free time - then its quite different story -  ME7 is the best ECU to start with.  But forget about doing decent tune on your own car unless you spend like half a year 6-8 hours a day learning Smiley
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« Reply #2619 on: May 20, 2024, 06:56:05 AM »

prj is most correct, and the 5 years time span is likely correct too. It took me a year to get to where I am now, which is still not where I wanted to be by this time, and even then, I had DHA and variable names to massively speed things up in IDA. And even then I was no stranger to reverse engineering, having done it years prior on the precursors to Denuvo. Additionally I had to start looking at the problems not from a programmer perspective but fundamental engine theory.

However rather than focusing on a specific problem I focused on all of them, so I did RE on many aspects rather than say just fueling or whatever. This may not be proper but I also did it for fun, with no financial gain in mind.

The blown engine can also happen with a NA engine, not just turbo.
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« Reply #2620 on: May 20, 2024, 10:46:43 AM »

ya'll are fucking retarded trying to loop this kid into  your own paid platforms and otherwise
its a QKHJ 2.5t ( same soft  as the 04 R in the states, yes )


throwing him on that "if you don't already know then you shouldn't know" spiel ya'll did to me.
what hes asking is free and super simple....

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« Reply #2621 on: May 20, 2024, 12:51:36 PM »

ya'll are fucking retarded trying to loop this kid into  your own paid platforms and otherwise
its a QKHJ 2.5t ( same soft  as the 04 R in the states, yes )


throwing him on that "if you don't already know then you shouldn't know" spiel ya'll did to me.
what hes asking is free and super simple....

It's only free because someone else did this for you.
And it's super simple because there's 51 addresses. Compared to my def that has 5272.
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« Reply #2622 on: May 20, 2024, 06:52:57 PM »

It's only free because someone else did this for you.
And it's super simple because there's 51 addresses. Compared to my def that has 5272.

And I pass down that to the next guy
I been getting into Ida n other shit myself,  and having fun with this
Do you guys understand fun?
That's why I do this
For fun
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« Reply #2623 on: May 20, 2024, 08:35:08 PM »

Making this XML file requires sitting in IDA for hours and manually searching for addresses, this is assuming you know RE.
People who know RE to this level usually get paid over 100$ per hour. A comprehensive XML that has a lot of addresses (not just a few) would cost anywhere between 300$ to 1000$ to make.
This is assuming the person making it has a similar a2l file.

I developed technology to automate this process, that still requires having at least a similar A2L file though, which again is really not easy to get for Volvo.

So yes, you can pay 100$ for credits for my software and log your car for all of eternity. Minimum purchase is 50$ btw, because that's also the price of the cheapest service, but advanced protocol without prior sub costs 100$.
Or you can continue complaining here and hope that somebody is gonna spend hours to make you the "simple xml file". Probably not going to happen.
This is a DIY forum not a "tune my car for free" forum. So if you need an xml file for your software, start learning RE, then make the xml file and post it here Smiley Come back in 5 years when you have accomplished said task. Or pay for a shortcut.

I am guessing you don't work for free, so where does the entitlement come from that you expect other people to?
What do you bring to the table that would motivate someone to use their time to help you?
Nobody said anything about a bin file, that link has software to extract the locations of loggable identifiers from VIDA (those do not help you with a XML though because they are not ram addresses) and on ME7 there is a lot of important stuff missing for tuning.

There seems to be a pattern here. Embracing ignorance and making a ton of (false) assumptions. Not going to get very far with that attitude on here.

Alright, I'm back.  5 years goes by pretty quick, aye?  My initial request was for a stock bin file for my car so I could at least compare them and uploaded my current one for reference for everyone here just in case it would help someone else.  I then realized that since my extracted bin was already modified, I didn't really have anything to go off of. Especially since the stock bin I had was from a manual R. Quite a bit different without knowing anything about this particular platform.  Then I realized that the logging in OpenMoose required an xml file for the params that I couldn't find anywhere.  I hit dead ends every path I thought I could take.  Reading the s4 wiki was cool and all but when I tried searching for the defined variables to disable the rear 02 and cat, all I found was ekonf.  But with so many other values "not defined" I didn't feel comfortable changing anything since I thought my xdf was too out of wack.  I looked for two other variables mentioned in the s4 wiki relating to that and they were not present in either of the Volvo bins I had, so I said yea I'm good. Not trying to completely destroy my DD just yet.

I don't need to pay 50$ for 5k+ of addresses for a first time dude just trying to see what my car is doing a few times.  I can probably do everything I would ever need with the "logging" feature of a Bluetooth obd adapter to be completely honest.

I don't need to extract the csv file from my current vida install using script files.

Thank you, @s60rawr for the files. I can't believe 5 years went by so fast!!
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« Reply #2624 on: May 20, 2024, 08:45:31 PM »

I guess what I'm saying is sometimes, people just show up  and want to tinker with their own shit. Not everyone is looking to infiltrate the illuminati and steal everyone's "IP" and market it as their own. These are 20+ year old cars.  If you think anyone is going to come on the scene and start marketing a "new" product, I think I have bridge to sell you Grin
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