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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2013, 08:25:17 PM »

I feel like it was kind of a vague data sheet as well usually they give minimum pulse spec as well as multipliers to setup FKVVS
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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2013, 01:27:07 PM »

I see that engine load at idle hovers from 29-32% which seems high to me. I think that maybe my key to richness at idle because in part throttle load drops to 20ish in those pedal positions while cruising.
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2013, 02:12:56 PM »

I've been playing more with the bvc and I'm beginning to suspect that the high engine load at idle is the source of the issue.... First -5% adjustment to BVC .71 lambda until o2 correction kicks in load is 32%. Second -5% adjustment to BVC leans it to 1.14ish until o2 correction kicks in but acts a bit quicker to hit target lambda with a engine load of 22%. I checked my target filling and optimal torque to see if those had any thing to do with it but nothing.
22% seems a bit more like it but why did the engine load change by lowering bvc?
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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2013, 03:54:47 PM »

I see that engine load at idle hovers from 29-32% which seems high to me. I think that maybe my key to richness at idle because in part throttle load drops to 20ish in those pedal positions while cruising.

you should be 17-20% at idle.

your MAF isn't scaled right, or you have some other issue that is causing your MAF to read high.
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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2013, 05:13:17 PM »

thats what I thought maf should be scaled properly throught the profile and I wasn't sure if maf readings were the go to adjustment for engine load at idle. I'll give it a shot. Also 13-16kg/hr didn't seem that high at idle to me although this would be my first time running this maf.
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« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2013, 08:09:10 AM »

In this log I attempted scaling the start of the Flowmeter curve down by -2% and the end of the curve +1%. Based on the v8 audi MAF profile that tapp provided.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhrIiqTVF0NKdHp6V3ptcVZBR2k1cmkzM2VqUGhfV1E#gid=0


I was going too lean at startup so I attempted scaling the beginning of the curve +1% No changes to the end. Although around the 880 from the 30%-10% load area I input a .97correction using MLHFM for load correction.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhrIiqTVF0NKdGVnNnluVTFBNXFmcTdHcHNmeFpJOGc#gid=0


As you can see there has been an idle hunt since I attempted scaling the curve.


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« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2013, 08:52:17 AM »

I started out with Maestro's flowmeter profile for this particular maf. Tune was done using a similar setup to mine (Same maf part number, HEMI throttle, sem manifold- I have the IE intake, gt30ish turbo, 1000cc injectors-I have gen 2 1000's). I tryed using the base file even though seeing 20+ multiplier corrections in FKKVS/KFKHFM which seemed sketchy. Cold starts were rich, idle rich, WOT corrections were -20-+20% Calculated peak load was 160-170ish at 21-22psi.

I decided to start from scratch used stock FKKVS, KFKHFM, alphaN, KLAF and KFWDKMSN advise taken from Gonzo. I used MAF profile for my V8 audi maf(offset and curve) KFMIOP and KFMIRL from tapps tune Part throttle was alot smoother. Much better starting point. ALthough at idle I was seeing load vary from 27-32% which seemed off(lambda would stay around .8-.75 until fuel trims would kick in). Everything I've read so far has lead me to believe the load I should be seeing is around 10-18%(tuning books I've read). Fuel trims where around -9.8%, +20% after a cruise.

I've been trying to rescale my calculated load with the MAF curve, -1.95% reduction at the start and 1.9% at the end (if I use 2% at the end my W0T would go way to rich). I've gotten to these numbers to rescale by intervals of about .5% which ended up getting my load at idle to 15-17%. Only issue is warmup has leaned out 1.10-1.20 lambda until fuel trims kick in. WOT peak is now 185-187% corrections down too 10-14% (still high but lambda is hitting target

From this point should I use FKKVS to adjust TVUB? Am I going about this the right way?Or should I lower TVUB? Fuel trims after a 20minute ride would be -2.4%, 3%. Warmup idle has o2 correction/timing advance swings until  operating temp achieved and fuel trims hit those numbers. Should I be seeing o2 swings? SHould I be looking into adjusting KFMIOP? Fully warmed up the car will have a slight hickup every 30 seconds or so.

KRKTE-.032 which is calculated.

TVUB is manufacture spec.
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« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2013, 04:12:07 AM »

Let me get this straight, your entire injector calibration is done completely via FKKVS?

Regardless, every map has a purpose and should be used as designed.

It sounds like you need to start over on your injector and MAF calibrations and tune one peice at a time. I highly doubt your intake manifold is the problem.

KFKHFM corrects for intake PRE-MAF.

FKKVS is for correcting non-linear injector behavior which, if neccesary, should be mainly at low pulsewidths. Some injectors also have an upper non-linear region, but the injectors should be linear at part throttle.

You should be focusing on KRKTE, TVUB, and MLHFM.

What is the application? What is your MAF/intake setup?

Totally correct. Also note that IF you have installed a bigger throttle you have to recalibrate  throttle airflow in function of throttle position
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« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2013, 08:41:20 AM »

I could understand adjusting the throttle vrs airflow (which I have done before and have resorted back to it because of odd random startup leanness). What I have trouble with is believing the problem is solely in FKKVS. Yes my injectors are nonlinear at pulsewidths between 1-3ms (total MS), no I don't have the multipilers for injector offset but will all this effect calculated engine load? Before rescaling my flowmeter the idle load was 28-34 (random occastions at warmup it would swing to 40%). Total pulsewidth would be around 2-3ms. Proper pulsewidth should be between 1.5-1.6 based on my Latency of .98 and calculated ideal injector pulse of .55 for 900rpm with these gen 2 1000cc's.  My load would max out at 160-170% at 21-22psi (which explained my overboost using n75 for control, I would see 30+psi).

After the rescale my load dropped to 22% (small hiccups in idle barely noticeable, warmup is still a bit rich and until fully warmed up the idle swings timing/load/lambda).

I'm not denying that FKKVS could be the issue I'm just trying to understand why.
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