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« on: June 11, 2013, 09:48:18 PM »

I am a right foot breaker and am having serious hesitation problems from standing starts. Engine will rev but it will often not accelerate for 1 or 2 seconds .. very dangerous when trying to turn left across traffic, even had it roll back on me when trying to accelerate on hill at a traffic light & the engine was at over 2,000 rpm
I gather there is an ECU code that will enable left foot braking.  The dealership is unaware of the code but will set it if I can produce the (binary) code.
The vehicle is a 2008 Audi TT 2.0.
I've left braked for so many years .. not sure this old dog can re-learn this old trick
Thanks all for any help.
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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2013, 02:05:55 AM »

The dealership won't be able to do anything about your LFB issue. You can easily get around this by first touching the brake pedal, then accelerating, that works 100% fine. In order to enable LFB, you'll need to read the file out of your ECU and you'll need to flash a modified file yourself, for things like this dealerships are totally useless.
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2013, 10:06:39 AM »

Not sure what you mean by touching the brake pedal first, its when I take my (left) foot off the brake and step on the accelerator with my right that this happens.  I'm assuming it's because there is less (or no) time delay in touching the accelerator than for a right foot braker.

Can you point me to somewhere I can read up on or learn more on how do something like this and what I need to do it (read the ECU file and flash a new one).  I am quite knowledgeable in electronics and computers so at least understand what you mean.

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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2013, 10:12:35 AM »

Just a further comment, I did find reference to this issue at s4wiki.com as follows;

Left foot braking
Set either of these to maximum to prevent throttle cut when left foot braking:
   NWPMBBR - Minimum RPM for acc pedal value lockout on brake operation
   VWPMBBR - Minimum speed for acc pedal value lockout on brake operation


not sure if that has any impact on what I need to do next
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2013, 10:16:16 AM »

Left foot braking
Set either of these to maximum to prevent throttle cut when left foot braking:
   NWPMBBR - Minimum RPM for acc pedal value lockout on brake operation
   VWPMBBR - Minimum speed for acc pedal value lockout on brake operation


not sure if that has any impact on what I need to do next

Did you read this?

In order to enable LFB, you'll need to read the file out of your ECU and you'll need to flash a modified file yourself, for things like this dealerships are totally useless.
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2013, 10:17:33 AM »


I've left braked for so many years .. not sure this old dog can re-learn this old trick


Get to a driver school/HPDE and learn to drive properly.

left foot braking is NOT for standing starts.
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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2013, 12:48:11 PM »

Get to a driver school/HPDE and learn to drive properly.

left foot braking is NOT for standing starts.

i thought the same isn't it mostly for FWD cars to high speed drift? not usually necessary at all
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2013, 12:57:41 PM »

Isn't all braking done with the right foot? What the fuck are we talking about here?
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2013, 01:35:14 PM »

Isn't all braking done with the right foot? What the fuck are we talking about here?

There are situations on the track which might call for left foot braking, depending on the car and the corner...

I assume the OP just made a typo Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2013, 02:20:32 PM »

There are situations on the track which might call for left foot braking, depending on the car and the corner...

I assume the OP just made a typo Smiley

I assumed so too. I'm familiar with LEFT foot braking, but given as he continued to say right, I figured maybe I wasn't in the cool guy circle.
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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2013, 03:13:08 PM »

Thats a DSG car right? Its got the clutch in when the brake is on. some changes can be made in the DSG software but I don't think a engine tune
will help with this. That car would stall if it did not clutch when the brake was on.
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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2013, 08:02:49 PM »

I guess I have to comment back on all this feedback...
I've been driving for more than 50 yrs both standard and auto.  When using a standard I use my right foot to brake and with an auto my left (and have for probably 30-40 yrs).  This is not performance driving and I don't race or anything like that but I will guarantee that in heavy city traffic I will outperform anyone who uses there right foot only.  I don't ride the brake but my foot is near it all the time and I don't accelerate and use the brake ...it's one or the other.  I can stop and go far more quickly and safely than by just using my right foot.  If you haven't tried it (for at least for some period of time) don't judge it.  Besides God gave us two feet so why not use them to best advantage.  Besides it is not illegal.
The only reason Audi did this (and as far as I know they're only one who do this) was because some "idiot" driver put his feet on the brake & accelerator at the same time and got into trouble, blamed Audi and sued them.  And, as far as I know this is only a issue with the DSG transmission.
There are some interesting comments on the web on why not to LFB - such as  You might stop faster so someone might hit you from behind,  It might cause confusion, It's like handwriting when you lean with you right it's almost impossible to unlearn, that is the way it's always been done so it must be the right way[/i], - slight paraphrasing of course.
If you're an experienced and safe driver this is all hogwash.
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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2013, 08:16:15 PM »

This is not performance driving and I don't race or anything like that

You should consider a HPDE anyway.

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I will guarantee that in heavy city traffic I will outperform anyone who uses there right foot only.

Not sure what this means.

1) don't street race
2) don't street race a tiptronic
3) if you do, i guarantee there isn't any talent involved in launching a tip. Obviously you'll need to left foot brake to get a good 60 ft


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The only reason Audi did this (and as far as I know they're only one who do this) was because some "idiot" driver put his feet on the brake & accelerator at the same time and got into trouble, blamed Audi and sued them.

This is true. Also why the pedal position is so terrible (accelerator is way lower than the brake)

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And, as far as I know this is only a issue with the DSG transmission.

No. Most audis have this lockout.

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There are some interesting comments on the web on why not to LFB - such as  You might stop faster so someone might hit you from behind,  It might cause confusion, It's like handwriting when you lean with you right it's almost impossible to unlearn, that is the way it's always been done so it must be the right way[/i], - slight paraphrasing of course.
If you're an experienced and safe driver this is all hogwash.

Agreed.

In any case, if you want to do something about it, you'll have to learn how to modify your ECU.
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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2013, 10:45:51 PM »

I guess I have to comment back on all this feedback...
I've been driving for more than 50 yrs both standard and auto.  When using a standard I use my right foot to brake and with an auto my left (and have for probably 30-40 yrs).  This is not performance driving and I don't race or anything like that but I will guarantee that in heavy city traffic I will outperform anyone who uses there right foot only.  I don't ride the brake but my foot is near it all the time and I don't accelerate and use the brake ...it's one or the other.  I can stop and go far more quickly and safely than by just using my right foot.  If you haven't tried it (for at least for some period of time) don't judge it.  Besides God gave us two feet so why not use them to best advantage.  Besides it is not illegal.
The only reason Audi did this (and as far as I know they're only one who do this) was because some "idiot" driver put his feet on the brake & accelerator at the same time and got into trouble, blamed Audi and sued them.  And, as far as I know this is only a issue with the DSG transmission.
There are some interesting comments on the web on why not to LFB - such as  You might stop faster so someone might hit you from behind,  It might cause confusion, It's like handwriting when you lean with you right it's almost impossible to unlearn, that is the way it's always been done so it must be the right way[/i], - slight paraphrasing of course.
If you're an experienced and safe driver this is all hogwash.


 Please learn how the DSG transmission works, Oh and since it works so poorly in your opinion why don't you offer to help vw/audi/porsche/lambo. Since the dsg/doppler/egear trans all work about the same. I do Feel your pain on some level everytime I pull a
dsg on the alignment lift it is a pain in the ass, as the car rolls back unlike when you control the clutch or the car has a torque
converter putting atleast alil load on everything.
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