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« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2011, 10:17:45 AM »

Thanks Julex. Added to the s4wiki. Also, it should be in my next map pack release.
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« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2011, 10:20:25 AM »

Thanks Julex. Added to the s4wiki. Also, it should be in my next map pack release.

LOL I just signed up to the wiki to add it, and then I noticed it was there and was like WTF?  Was it there the whole time?  Good to know I'm not going crazy (yet) Tongue
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« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2011, 08:30:50 AM »

FWIW I haven't been successful in using the modifier to get my KVB settings to give me something useful as far as fuel consumption goes...

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« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2011, 10:07:46 AM »

Anyone??

I set FKVA to 10 and lowered my KVB setting to around 120.... my display show that I'm using 2L /100km...

I'd really like to get this dialed in
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« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2011, 11:12:31 AM »

I *increased* KVB from 319 (stock) to 712

60lb dekas, 3bar fpr

stock FKVA
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« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2011, 11:57:41 AM »

With my KVA maxed (around 712 or so) it's still not enough... I have 1000cc running @ 4BAR so almost 1200cc.

My understanding was that FKVA was a multiplier.... but it doesn't seem to work.

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« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2011, 12:24:36 PM »

Ah I see.

Looks like we'll have to do some FR digging.
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« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2011, 12:28:38 PM »

It seems to work for julex, don't know what it doesn't for me Sad

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php/topic,496.msg5693.html#msg5693
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« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2012, 01:28:30 AM »

I'm in the same boat as Notorious. I've maxed the maps and I'm still about 40% short of actual MPG?

1000cc and 4bar pressure.

Did anyone figure the differences between working and non working setups?
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« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2012, 12:32:45 PM »

Everybody has their own theory on how to set this.  It's actually quite easy if you take a numerical approach.  Divide your injector size at the operating-pressure you use by the stock size at this operating pressure.  OK:  ev14's @ 4-bar ~= 630cc/min   Stock b5 s4 ~= 349 cc/min      (630/349) ~= 1.75.

Set FKVA to 1.75.  Write your tune.  Reset your tripometers.  Fill up gas and start with a full tank.  Don't overfill.  Use same pump / same gas station for both fill-up and re-fill.  Calculate your actual MPG based on a precise procedure such as I've described.

Since your FKVA is large enough for huge injectors, KVB now has enough dynamic range to be adjusted precisely.  Rinse/repeat your procedure using static FKVA, estimated like I talked about above.  After a few trials your dash mpg will be within +/- .25 mpg.  Actually using this, I've got my mpg to within +/-.1 of the actual.

The trick is that you have to a) follow a precise refill procedure, b) understand what you are doing, c) start by making a static large-adjustment to FKVA from it's 1.00 stock value to .25 step-size rounding and then leave it alone.

The problem most people have is that they don't actually understand the equation governing this stuff.  Look its simple algebra.  Get your FKVA roughly adjusted, because the precision of KVB isn't sufficient for large injectors without FKVA bumped up.  Reread what I've written here, it's very easy.  Nyet's the one that tipped me off on how to properly do this.


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« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2012, 09:54:52 PM »

Ok, now I feel really stupid!

What are the theoritical starting values (FKVA and KVB) for 1000cc@4bar ~1200cc of E85?

Can the FKVA be too big and still cluster would show too little?

For me: 1200cc/349cc=3.43 for FKVA (haven't tried that yet!) BUT if even 15@FKVA AND 770cc@KVB is not enough (about 40% short) and IF it's a multiplier I don't get it! So I will try 349cc and 3.43 but I have low hopes for it to be anywhere in the range of real MPG but as I said I'm sometimes stupid and stubborn.

For Julex 500cc KVB  and 2 at FKVA works and IIRC he runs 3bar fuel pressure and that goes with the theory.
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« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2012, 11:25:57 AM »

Ok, now I feel really stupid!

What are the theoritical starting values (FKVA and KVB) for 1000cc@4bar ~1200cc of E85?

Can the FKVA be too big and still cluster would show too little?

For me: 1200cc/349cc=3.43 for FKVA (haven't tried that yet!) BUT if even 15@FKVA AND 770cc@KVB is not enough (about 40% short) and IF it's a multiplier I don't get it! So I will try 349cc and 3.43 but I have low hopes for it to be anywhere in the range of real MPG but as I said I'm sometimes stupid and stubborn.

For Julex 500cc KVB  and 2 at FKVA works and IIRC he runs 3bar fuel pressure and that goes with the theory.

Man, trust me, it's way easier.  You are thinking too hard.  I have 60# / 630 @ 4-bar bosch-ev14.  I am using 1.5 * 570 ~= 855.
Julex has 97 # / 1015cc @ 3-bar InjDyn.  He uses 2.0 * 500 ~= 1000.
You are using 1200cc @ 4-bar, arguably 1000cc @4-bar.
(i'm not sure which and it doesn't matter which.  that was my point with the "numerical technique approach".)
Set your FKVA to 3.0 and set your initial KVB to 400.  3.0 * 400 = 1200.

Start a static FKVA, do the procedure I've listed.  Report back the following.  I will help you make the adjustments.
We require:  Miles Driven, Fuel Consumed, and Tripometer MPG from your LCD display.

Seriously, its this easy, I promise everyone this.  Nyet advocated this basic idea on the wiki starting two-plus years ago.
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« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2012, 09:20:21 PM »

Thanks, I will try it later today or tomorrow (left my laptop home) and report.
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« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2012, 02:29:48 AM »

20.6 mpg  with 15 and 770cc

and now with the theoretical correct values:

28.3 mpg  with 3.4 and 350cc

Real MPG is about 15.7

So it went just like I thought. It's not THAT simple always it seems?
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« Reply #44 on: August 03, 2016, 07:50:19 AM »

Updating this thread with some relevant info.

FKVA is used only in case of canbus clusters.
If the cluster takes the fuel consumption from a dedicated wire, then FKVA is unused, as FKVA is only used to scale canbus output.

Thus you run into an issue where you can not accomodate 800cc and larger injectors.
The solution is a direct modification to the code calculating TKVAG.

Since KRKTE is shifted right 4 times before it is multiplied in, you can reduce the amount of times it is shifted right, thus multiplying the effective value by 2 each time.
So changing 7C 42 to 7C 32 will double the displayed quantity, 7C 22 will quadruple it and so on.

Attached illustration (551K RS4 bin)
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