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« Reply #150 on: July 16, 2014, 11:19:17 PM »

After fitting K04 turbo of an Audi S3 2.0TFSI on my BWA engine MK5 GTI. I want to move on and exchange to S3 injectors too. I read that S3 have arround 13% more flow capacity. I guess adjusting KRKATE will be enough. Looking and comparing files, I found that my value is 3330 whereas S3 has 2880 value. This also shows that the value is arround 13% different. Will this adaptation be enough? I read that S3 has also fitted 3 bar MAP sensor whereas BWA only has 2.55 bar one. What will it help when I exchange to 3 bar sensor? Will be adjusting DSVDGRAD and DSVDGRAD enough after fitting the 3 bar MAP? BWA engine has DSVDGRAD=541 / DSVDGRAD=5103,59 whereas S3 values are 658,83 and 5056,48. Are these values OK? Thanks for your tips and help.

Setting the KRKATE to 0,029000 gave me -0,2 LTFT on the S3 injectors, indicating the actual flow in 15,2% higher than on the stock injectors Wink

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« Reply #151 on: July 16, 2014, 11:37:09 PM »

Could someone with a better understanding please explain me how the ECU uses the specified rail pressure (KFPRSOLxxx)?

Lets say the stock map of an 200hp TFSI engine has 0,0333ms KRKATE, meaning the stock flow is around 1027cm³/min.
At this point I have to assume that the resulting cm³/min is at the stock fuel pressure which peaks at 110bar.

However since the stock KFPRSOLxxx maps specify a variable rail pressure based on different torque requests and rpms, how does the ECU handle the variations?
Does the ECU expect that the injector flow indicated by KRKATE is at the highest pressure value indicated by KFPRSOLxxx maps and then calculate the actual injector
flow based on that with following formula (e.g. specified rail pressure 90bar)?: KRKATE / SQRT(110/90)

So when the peak requested rail pressure is raised from 110 to 130bar the KRKATE must be correctly adjusted once again?

Let's say I would need 130bar fuel pressure instead of the original up to 110bar.
Should I leave the lower load and rpm lines in the KFPRSOLxx maps as stock and only raise the requested pressure where it is actually needed?
Also any preference should the changes to the normal operation fuel pressure be made to KFPRSOLHOM (normal operation) map directly or is it preferred to use the KFPRSOLOFF (offset) map?

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« Reply #152 on: July 17, 2014, 02:13:32 AM »

I think RP increase after fitting HPFP will not effect KRKATE. Actually it will give some extra flow capacity to your injectors to get more fuel into the engine. Anyone experiences with 3 bar MAP sensors? What are benefits in doing this exchange fitting 3 bar MAP?
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« Reply #153 on: July 18, 2014, 01:21:25 AM »

You can read/log more boost but you can't request more.

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« Reply #154 on: July 18, 2014, 06:20:50 AM »

Thanks for reply. Guessed it will be like that. "Will be adjusting DSVDGRAD and DSVDGRAD enough after fitting the 3 bar MAP?" What about this question..
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« Reply #155 on: July 18, 2014, 09:42:17 AM »

Changing DSVDGRAD and DSVDOFS will do when changing MAP sensor. Currently running a 3bar on my BWA engine. You can see how they are calculated in the FR doc on page 802 (or copy the values from an ECU with the same MAP sensor).
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« Reply #156 on: July 21, 2014, 12:25:47 PM »

Changing DSVDGRAD and DSVDOFS will do when changing MAP sensor. Currently running a 3bar on my BWA engine. You can see how they are calculated in the FR doc on page 802 (or copy the values from an ECU with the same MAP sensor).

As part number found: 0281 002 401/038 906 051 C. Are these OK? Also comparing maps: DSVDGRAD=34624 vs 42165 (GTI vs S3), DSVDOFS= 65326 vs 64723 (GTI vs S3). Can you pls confirm these values? Thanks...
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« Reply #157 on: July 24, 2014, 07:31:31 AM »

Anybody can confirm pls?
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« Reply #158 on: July 25, 2014, 04:34:08 PM »

Yeah. they are correct.

0 281 002 401 or 038906051C (VAG).

200hPa (0.2bar) @ 0.2V
3000hPa (3bar) @ 4.65V

DSVDRGRAD = (3000 - 200) / (4.65 - 0.4) = 658.828125 (42165 or A4B5h)
DSVDROFS = 200 - (658.828125 * 0.4) = -63.53125 (64723 or FCD3h) - Signed


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« Reply #159 on: April 12, 2015, 04:14:26 AM »

What is the right factor for DSVDROFS ?

I tried to appy this to my me7.5 and my factor was 0,039063.
But with FCD3h @ OFS i had to double the factor to 0.078126 to read -63.5164

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« Reply #160 on: April 16, 2015, 02:40:08 AM »

factor for DSVDROFS is 0.078125
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« Reply #161 on: July 11, 2015, 12:36:00 PM »

Anything obvious I am missing:

The pull-back is significantly greater and the lambda is significantly richer, during 4th and 5th gear pulls than during 3rd gear pulls.
The IATs are good and they are even lower at higher gears due the greater speed.

Any ideas which maps could affect both the ignition timing and fueling, depending on gear?
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« Reply #162 on: July 12, 2015, 10:13:54 AM »

How do your EGT's look for 3rd vs 4th/5th pulls?
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« Reply #163 on: July 12, 2015, 11:37:37 AM »

How do your EGT's look for 3rd vs 4th/5th pulls?

Haven´t checked really, as I´ve been under the impression that the catalyst / lambda calculated EGTs aren´t too realiable anyway.
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« Reply #164 on: July 12, 2015, 12:20:08 PM »

I saw higher EGT’s with a 4th gear WOT pull than I did in 3rd  (I assume since the time duration of the pull in 4th gear is greater than 3rd gear and heat builds up…)

Component protection fuelling?

KFDLATRNL
KLTATRS
KPATRDT
TATRIHKS
TATRVHKS

Mind you, my own experience is based on an S3 8P. I'm not sure which TFSI motors have/don't have EGT sensors  Huh
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