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« on: April 27, 2011, 04:51:16 AM »

hello

this is my firs post here. I'm from republic of Georgia.
my car is audi a4 1.8 T quattro 1996 from Japan. ECU is bosch M3.2 
8D0907557 0261203550/551
 car now tuning whith K04 -20 turbo, 386 cc injector VR6 MAF, chip 1.5 Bar boost, intercooler .....
run good but I have problem, not used N75 (I used electric boos controler), when I Connected
N75 - boost is too high  1,7-1,8 bar....
 
this ECU is too old and I need change it. If possible M3.2 Ecu and engine Cable change New Model ECU (cable, ...) Which will be programmable. I would like your opinion on this regard
And advice.  And if possible provided me with my car ECU pin out.

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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2013, 02:42:37 PM »

Did you ever get your K04 set up tuned right?
I have custom K04 on Giac PC16, 315cc. Logging 193 g/sec MAF, and think this is maxxed out; maybe turbo could go farther?
I have the stock MAF, but have a suitable VR6 MAF on hand.

I have not found anybody with a suitable tune (larger than PC16, smaller than Unitronic 415cc 'big turbo').

Too bad that there are no tuner geeks here on the forum that care about the AEB; its such a good engine.
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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2013, 02:48:36 PM »

I've tuned a few AEB's, don't see what the big deal is about.
But you tune this with a real time emu, and logging gear hooked up to the car, not over the internet.

There is a DAMOS for M3.8.3 AGU available. You can always switch to that, it's plug and play, and can be flashed.
But you will still need proper tools to tune it.

Really not rocket science. But if you think you can just download something from the internet for your custom setup, then you are wrong.
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2013, 12:06:25 AM »

Im running your setup with the agu me3.8 ecu
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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2013, 08:01:50 AM »

Im running your setup with the agu me3.8 ecu

Ignorant as I am:

What is in my Giac PC 16 chipped ECU 8D0 907 557 N? me3.8?
And even worse: what is an 'agu me3.8 ecu'?
Is the AGU a Golf (transversal) 1.8T engine version?

I found these cars and versions of AGU (see below).

What does it take to use this AGU ECU in a 1.8T AEB setup (only MAF, no MAP; drive by cable or nDBW)?

If you have my setup, what is our MAF flow in g/sec?
Plain jane K04 turbo?
315cc injectors on 3 bar FPR?
Stock MAF or VR6 MAF?

I would love to try it.




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Audi   A3 (8L) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018D   150
Audi   A3 (8L) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018D   150
Audi   A3 (8L) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018D   150
Audi   A3 (8L) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018AQ   150
Audi   A3 (8L) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018AQ   150
Audi   A3 (8L) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018AR   150
Audi   A3 (8L) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018AR   150
Audi   A3 (8L) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018AR   150
Audi   A3 (8L) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018CJ   150
Audi   A3 (8L) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018CJ   150
Audi   A3 (8L) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018CK   150
Audi   A3 (8L) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018CK   150
Audi   A3 (8L) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018AQ   150
VW   Golf IV (1J) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018R   150
VW   Golf IV (1J) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018R   150
VW   Golf IV (1J) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018BB   150
VW   Golf IV (1J) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018BB   150
VW   Golf IV (1J) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018BB   150
VW   Golf IV (1J) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018CG   150
VW   Golf IV (1J) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018CG   150
VW   Golf IV (1J) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018CG   150
VW   Golf IV (1J) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018CH   150
VW   Golf IV (1J) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018R   150
Skoda   Octavia (1U) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018CF   150
Skoda   Octavia (1U) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018DM   150
Skoda   Octavia (1U) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018GB   150
Skoda   Octavia (1U) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018GA   150
Skoda   Octavia (1U) Turbo   1,8   AGU   06A906018GB   150


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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2013, 09:24:20 AM »

It's pretty much plug and play IIRC.
But there is absolutely nothing wrong with your current ECU either.

If you can't find someone to tune it for you, then go standalone.
Your ECU is M5.92 or M3.8.2, it's the same, the former is EU the latter US.

They can be cross loaded. There is a full DAMOS available for the M3.8.2.
It seems somehow that you don't want to tune though, but are looking to copy paste.
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2013, 09:29:55 AM »

It's pretty much plug and play IIRC.
But there is absolutely nothing wrong with your current ECU either.

If you can't find someone to tune it for you, then go standalone.

I was under the impression my AEB ECU cannot be flashed, only chipped?
How would you 'tune' it then? Burn chips and solder?

For the current setups on my two K04 AEB, I will not consider standalone for cost reasons.
Just looking for a solution to get around the (can someone confirm or advise how to check if I run into the MAF limit) MAF limitation with the stock MAF (and inability to find a ECU/tune that utilizes 315cc and VR6 MAF).

The next one (quite a ways out, bigger turbo, up to 400 cHP) will likely be standalone using Haltech, since by friend can then tune it, and I don't have the issues

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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2013, 09:32:52 AM »

It can be flashed, but not read without desoldering and reading in a programmer AFAIK.
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2013, 09:40:26 AM »

I was under the impression my AEB ECU cannot be flashed, only chipped?
How would you 'tune' it then? Burn chips and solder?
No, I would hook up my Roadrunner emulator and tune it in real time.
Exactly same like I would do on the AGU ecu, except there it is a PSOP-44 29F200BB chip.
If you want you can also get a flashable chip, socket the ECU, and pop it in and out, but that will be annoying. The chip in your ECU is a 27C1024, and if you get a M28F102, you can rewrite that as many times as you like.
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For the current setups on my two K04 AEB, I will not consider standalone for cost reasons.
Then why modify the car in the first place?
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Just looking for a solution to get around the (can someone confirm or advise how to check if I run into the MAF limit) MAF limitation with the stock MAF (and inability to find a ECU/tune that utilizes 315cc and VR6 MAF).
You will not find a "tune" matching your setup. The limitation does not exist. You are either pegging the MAF or pegging the VAG-COM limit, both can be worked around...

My point is, that your ECU can accept a software revision that has a full damos available, pretty damn easy to tune.
There is no damos for the AGU ecu. It is similar to M3.8.2, but it's not the same. Map finding in hex.

You are not going to find a free file that is going to magically make everything OK. You either tune it, find someone who can tune it, or get a standalone.
The AGU ecu is harder to tune because of no damos. The flashing is also quite temperamental, and then in all cases there are immo issues.
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2013, 02:25:33 PM »

@ AEF :  You are running a M3.8.3 flashable ecu. but yet without the boostcontroller ( compared to the O.P's setup)

@ vtraudt  : 8D0907557N = M5.92 USA flashable setup with 2x o2 sensor and SAI for AEB style engine. Defo NOT a M3.8.2/M3.8.3.  It is tho the same family.
    you can finetune yours with the aid of some cheap tools, and time+fuel. You should begin with changing MAF-diameter, and put in some proper injectors
    (delphi 3-nozzle 440cc / Rover also used these for their 420 and 820 turbo, or other injectors that have a WIDE cone or spray. NOT the usa ford EV1-V8
    greentops !!!! those belong in 2v-V8 engines and will not work due to mismatched type of injector-spraypattern)  Use the sensor from the AEB in the VR6
    housing. I can't find your file on the internet as of original dump sadly, otherwise a definitionfile could be quickly made and you can do the finetuning yourselfe
    via logging. A emulator is really the best tool to use for this stuff, but it is also doable via logging and retuning each time.

@ sa_nika : can you post a picture of your turbo's tagplate, and where did you got that turbo from? As normally a K04 for Longitudinal engines is a
    K04-0015 and comparable to a "K03s" that is used onto transverse engines, with slightly different output in hp and torque.
    You say you have a K04-020 turbo? Let's have a look Smiley  A 020 turbo normally is transversal.....
    For your setup I would take a M3.8.3 ecu from a Golf (AGU) or Audi A3 (AGU, not the 06A906018D), or skoda octavia (AGU) and put a extra wire into the big
    connector on pin 43 and hook it up to OBD2-plug pin 13.  And buy a cheap clone MPPS V12 programmer to be able to do OBD2 programming on it.
    *CAREFULL* -->  NO READING IS POSSIBLE VIA OBD OR BENCHJOB ON ALL M3.8.3/M5.92 ECU's <--  only ONLY programming.
    Programming these is a 3min flat job, and REALLY simple. Can't understand why people have so many issues with this...  and with their immo's.
    Never had any issues with this, and did more than 10 agu M3.8.3 ecu's already. 

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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2013, 04:53:00 PM »

8D0907557N = M5.92 USA flashable setup with 2x o2 sensor and SAI for AEB style engine. Defo NOT a M3.8.2/M3.8.3.

If it's flashable, it's AFAIK exact the same as M3.8.3 with only software differences.
But for some reason I remember the M5.9.2 not being flashable, and being equivalent to M3.8.2. I might be wrong though.
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2013, 07:31:06 PM »

@ vtraudt : "What is in my Giac PC 16 chipped ECU 8D0 907 557 N ?" -> M5.92 aka flashable
               : "And even worse: what is an 'agu me3.8 ecu' ?" -> A ecu that controls a 06A-style engine.
               : "Is the AGU a Golf (transversal) 1.8T engine version ?" -> Euro MKIV first 1.8T version (transversal)

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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2013, 07:27:22 AM »

Please can anyone help me i have one of these flashable ecus and mpps v12 but i get security code error can anyone point me to the right direction? I also have one of the older ecus plcc44 already chipped but immo enabled. Any help for flashing the m3.83 or immo off the other one or both would be much appriciated. Thank you.
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@ vtraudt  : 8D0907557N = M5.92 USA flashable setup with 2x o2 sensor and SAI for AEB style engine. Defo NOT a M3.8.2/M3.8.3.  It is tho the same family. Use the sensor from the AEB in the VR6
    housing. I can't find your file on the internet as of original dump sadly, otherwise a definitionfile could be quickly made and you can do the finetuning yourselfe
    via logging. A emulator is really the best tool to use for this stuff, but it is also doable via logging and retuning each time.

What adapters/cables and software works best to data log the AEB (US; 5.92 on my 1998 1.8T manual)?

Also now have Innovate LM2 wideband logger, but have not been able to get the Innovate to connect to OBD2 (would be nice to use for logging AND wideband data in one file). Any tips?
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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2013, 06:29:59 AM »

vcds works fine
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