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« Reply #180 on: December 01, 2011, 10:05:43 AM »

.bin file from eurodyne maestro 1.8t  it used to be a .tapp file and i just changed the file extension and it was not pulled with nefmoto flasher or galletto so i cant guarantee anything. but thought it may be of use to someone.
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« Reply #181 on: December 04, 2011, 12:51:04 PM »

This code is a 'hack'. There is a proper way (or at least a "more" proper way) to interrupt the ignition.
Just a tip... Maybe someone will pick up on this tip  Smiley
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« Reply #182 on: December 04, 2011, 01:59:32 PM »

Why bother cutting/interrupting ignition at all? It is not the correct way of doing anything to a running engine.
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« Reply #183 on: December 04, 2011, 02:03:07 PM »

Because functionally it serves its desired purpose of building boost and maintaining a set launch RPM.

I agree that it would be more desirable to retard the ignition timing until the air mixture is leaving the cylinder - but this "hack" works without much work and achieves the desired result.
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« Reply #184 on: December 05, 2011, 12:05:00 PM »

Yeap. Its the easiest way to do it. I tried retarding ignition and it didn't work.
I need to revisit this later on.
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« Reply #185 on: December 06, 2011, 05:32:00 AM »

Wether done by ignition cut or by ignition angle, antilag in ME7 seems to be always a "hack"  Wink.

Regarding the ignition angle:
in all ME7 files that I have looked at, the system constants limiting the
ignition angle in the ignition driver code are set to:
  SY_WMIN  = 0xE0 = -24.0 deg
  SY_WMAX = 0x4E =  58.5 deg
I would guess, these are limits of the driver implementation on the C167 and if you
just circumvent these limits, the driver probably might not work as intended.

So, would -24.0 degrees be late enough to keep the engine from raising rpm?

matchew: did you implement successfully antilag using ignition angle modification?
Is the driver code able to produce ignition pulses later than SY_WMIN?
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« Reply #186 on: December 06, 2011, 09:05:39 AM »

I don't think that's enough.  Most systems are well over 30 degrees.
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« Reply #187 on: December 06, 2011, 10:03:22 AM »

in all ME7 files that I have looked at, the system constants limiting the
ignition angle in the ignition driver code are set to:
  SY_WMIN  = 0xE0 = -24.0 deg
  SY_WMAX = 0x4E =  58.5 deg
Aha! -24 deg makes the RPM's drop for sure but it makes no boost.
We need to be able to push it to -50 at least
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« Reply #188 on: December 06, 2011, 12:37:02 PM »

matchew: did you implement successfully antilag using ignition angle modification?
Is the driver code able to produce ignition pulses later than SY_WMIN?

Yes I have done this and experimented with different angles and strategies. Of all the methods I have written this is by far the best way although one of the most complex.  It is how ever the correct way along with sequentially cutting cylinders.
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« Reply #189 on: December 10, 2011, 02:25:04 PM »

That sounds good. Is cutting cylinders needed to limit the produced boost?
And I guess the limitation (SY_WMIN) to -24.0 deg has to be removed or was
this ignition angle sufficient?
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« Reply #190 on: December 10, 2011, 09:12:35 PM »

24ATDC is not enough to prevent RPM climbing. I have gone much further than 24 degrees. This creates MASSIVE heat in the exhaust system. At one point during testing on a NA engine, I measured the exhaust gas temperature at well over 900C with in less than half a second of the engine reaching the RPM set point.
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« Reply #191 on: December 22, 2011, 04:19:43 AM »

Ok, this stuff is way beyond me. lol

Was thinking, if you can only get 24* on the output side, could you manipulate the input side to get the rest? Is there a crank trigger offset that you could make the balance up on? Have a feeling it would freak out the cam sensors and drag both fuel and spark with it though. Just an idea.

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« Reply #192 on: January 01, 2012, 06:55:09 PM »

I've been testing out the AL and NLS code on a friends car and I have a quick question.  Not sure if it has been mentioned on here before or not but if the NLS is used, it will work fine 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd but when the clutch is reengaged in the 3rd gear the car is in some sort of limp mode and builds much less boost then it should be (would be without using the NLS function).

Has anyone else seen this?  Any particular things that I should be looking at to correct this?

Thanks!
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« Reply #193 on: January 02, 2012, 12:10:52 PM »

^^^ Do you have an AFR gauge in that car?

I have the issue that the car goes full rich when I do a 2-3 and 3-4 shift with NLS... and only recovers if you let off and get back on the gas.
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« Reply #194 on: January 11, 2012, 02:42:39 PM »

24ATDC is not enough to prevent RPM climbing. I have gone much further than 24 degrees. This creates MASSIVE heat in the exhaust system. At one point during testing on a NA engine, I measured the exhaust gas temperature at well over 900C with in less than half a second of the engine reaching the RPM set point.

don't we need to distinguish between launch and NLS function?
I think during WOT shift in 0,1 or 0,2 sec. some short raise of EGT is ok and boost is not dropping too much?!
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