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« on: July 14, 2014, 04:13:27 AM »

Hello there I'm new to the forum and really looking for some help.
To cut a long story short I have an Audi 1.8t with A AUM engine and an 06A906032HJ ECU and have crazy amount of problems since I have brought it the car hesitating , jurking etc when under throttle at between 1500 rpm and 3000 rpm and then overcomes its self and overcomes its self the car has been remapped before I had it by pro-tune. with may or may not be the issue but after changing maf n75 n249 and the list goes on its still doing it! very annoying . I have brought a second ecu another 06A906032HJ one with stock map on it and was hoping to test the car with that ecu to see if the problem disappears or whether I need to keep hunting. If someone could help me and let me know the tools which are required to do this that would be great

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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2014, 06:04:52 AM »

First up you should get VCDS/vagcom and scan for fault codes, and get a blue kkl flashing lead off ebay.

Physically swapping the ECU out is pretty simple, mk4 golf platform cars usually have a clip in ecu cage, just pop the clip with a screwdriver. A4/A6 sometimes have an ECU cage with security screws, which you have to drill out before you can get the little ECU plug off.

However, assuming your new ECU has an immobiliser (most european ones do), you will need to defeat that before your car will run for more than a second or so. Have a read of the threads in this section, theres lots of info on defeating immobilisers.

Once you have got the ecu in the car, if it is imobilised, use argdubs tool to read the eeprom from the ECU (where the immobiliser settings are stored) and either get the hex editor out, or use my tool to turn the immo off (assuming its an immo3, I havent got round to supporting immo2 yet). To write the eeprom back, you need to put the ecu into boot mode, and use argdubs tool again
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2014, 03:21:41 PM »

I have another scanning tool for codes I was looking at VCDS but there so pricey I have ordered a kkl cable should get it Wednesday wahey Smiley yerp getting the ecu out wasnt to bad mine with some help from a couple of screwdrivers slid straight out!

My ecu does have a immo but I'm unsure if its 2 or 3 is there an easy way to tell? I have had a good look at the posts about immo you guys have some really good info here! Can the immo off be done without taking the ecu apart?

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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2014, 03:37:37 PM »

It's really easy to tell immo 2 and immo 3 apart when you look at the hex dump, immo2 doesn't store the vin or immo Id. Easiest way to test is to read the EEPROM using argdub's tool and parse it with mine, if 95040tool reports a vin of all x's and broken checksum, then it's immo2, if it reports the vin, it's immo3. (If it's immo2, ignore the bit about the broken checksum, I don't support immo2 yet, so you'll have to edit immo by hand).

You can read the eeprom over odb, but to write it, the ecu needs to be in bootmode, which means you have to take the lid off the ecu and ground a pin on one of the chips before you power up the ecu. Sounds scary, isn't. Might be worth taking a look at my 1.8t bench flashing thread.
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2014, 03:41:00 AM »

Right everything I need I now have so the plan is tonight to see to it!

Thank you for your help so far its been brilliant! Now can I have a quick round down of what I need to do please I've looked at the posts you have suggested but be good to know exactly what I need to do in what order!

Would you recommend bench flashing it or doing it in the car?

With argdub's tool what are the step to read the ecu and dump it to file? do I need to install special drivers?

Once I have the file dumped What is the process with your tool to immo off the dump?

Then once the dump is Immo off how do I flash it back with argdub's tool? and the chip that need to be ground which one is this?

Sorry for so many questions but if I could have a run down of exactly what i need to do so I can't muck it up that would be amazing!

Look forward to your reply



   
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2014, 10:35:22 AM »

> Thank you for your help so far its been brilliant! Now can I have a quick round down of what I need to do please I've looked at the posts you have suggested but be good to know exactly what I need to do in what order!


No worries. I'm on my mac so cant run any of this software today, so I'm doing this by memory (you'll have to actually check the threads if this is wrong).


> Would you recommend bench flashing it or doing it in the car?

I generally bench flash as its a lot easier to put into boot mode, if you have access to a bench harness I would use it.


> With argdub's tool what are the step to read the ecu and dump it to file? do I need to install special drivers?

I use one of these cables http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/88G-USB-ODB2-Diagnostic-Cable-409-1-OBD2-II-Lead-Win-XP-Vista-FR232RL-Chipset-/230994275228?ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:GB:3160 using the most recent drivers from the manufacturers website, with virtual comport set to com 1. I think these are the drivers I am using, http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm might be using the D2xx drivers - the info is on this site somewhere!

I use the tool like this to read:

me7_95040 --OBD -r -p 1 eepromdump.bin

but you should check the syntax for the version of the tool you are using, I think mine is the older version.


> Once I have the file dumped What is the process with your tool to immo off the dump?

First do:
95040tool eepromdump.bin

This will print a bunch of information, if your ecu is IMMO3 then it will show the VIN, Immo ID and report that the checksum is correct (if it shows the VIN and Immo ID and the checksum is incorrect, post up your bin as its likely the read failed somehow). If your ecu is IMMO2 then it will show all XXXX's for the VIN - if this happens DO NOT USE MY TOOL, as it will just screw the bin file up...I really need to find the time to add immo2 support lol.

If yours is an immo3 ecu, use:

95040tool --in eepromdump.bin --immo off --out eepromdump_off.bin

If its an immo2, then you need to get a hex editor (I use winhex, there are many others) and edit the eeprom immo bytes and the appropriate checksum bytes, as described in this thread: http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=2973.0title=

> Then once the dump is Immo off how do I flash it back with argdub's tool? and the chip that need to be ground which one is this?

Bootmode info is here, http://www.nefariousmotorsports.com/wiki/index.php/ECU_Boot_Mode or have a search for your type of ECU and bootmode, on some ECUs the orientation of the chip is different. I earth 1.8t ecus for ~6s and they seem to go reliably into boot mode. Syntax for the tool is something like:
me7_95040 --bootmode -w -p 1 eepromdump_off.bin

> Sorry for so many questions but if I could have a run down of exactly what i need to do so I can't muck it up that would be amazing!

No worries, I was in exactly the same situation a couple of months back. Best bet is to go have a read Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2014, 02:36:47 PM »

Welll...

I tort id give you an update on the madness Ive been having..

To start with everything was going well I managed to read the ecu bin file how you said and immo off it with your tool as it was a immo3 with is great and i now have a bin file ready to overwrite the one on there which is immo off but I can't seem to get the flipping thing in bootmode I have tried waiting 1 sec to 15 secs in 1 second increments and it would send the file to it I just get which is very anoying
the only thing i can notice is that the key symbol the immo one does act like it would nomally starting the car if i have pin 24 grounded when you start the ecu ( coming on then off) unlike when the car is immobilized but the car won't even start for a sec when its in this mode is this in bootmode and the laptops not working with it for some reason or am i doing something wrong?


BTW Im doing this in the car due to being sent the wrong connectors the ones Ive been sent are missing some of the pins you need to make the harness


Thanks!!!
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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2014, 07:07:17 PM »

> Thank you for your help so far its been brilliant! Now can I have a quick round down of what I need to do please I've looked at the posts you have suggested but be good to know exactly what I need to do in what order!


No worries. I'm on my mac so cant run any of this software today, so I'm doing this by memory (you'll have to actually check the threads if this is wrong).


> Would you recommend bench flashing it or doing it in the car?

I generally bench flash as its a lot easier to put into boot mode, if you have access to a bench harness I would use it.


> With argdub's tool what are the step to read the ecu and dump it to file? do I need to install special drivers?

I use one of these cables http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/88G-USB-ODB2-Diagnostic-Cable-409-1-OBD2-II-Lead-Win-XP-Vista-FR232RL-Chipset-/230994275228?ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:GB:3160 using the most recent drivers from the manufacturers website, with virtual comport set to com 1. I think these are the drivers I am using, http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm might be using the D2xx drivers - the info is on this site somewhere!

I use the tool like this to read:

me7_95040 --OBD -r -p 1 eepromdump.bin

but you should check the syntax for the version of the tool you are using, I think mine is the older version.


> Once I have the file dumped What is the process with your tool to immo off the dump?

First do:
95040tool eepromdump.bin

This will print a bunch of information, if your ecu is IMMO3 then it will show the VIN, Immo ID and report that the checksum is correct (if it shows the VIN and Immo ID and the checksum is incorrect, post up your bin as its likely the read failed somehow). If your ecu is IMMO2 then it will show all XXXX's for the VIN - if this happens DO NOT USE MY TOOL, as it will just screw the bin file up...I really need to find the time to add immo2 support lol.

If yours is an immo3 ecu, use:

95040tool --in eepromdump.bin --immo off --out eepromdump_off.bin

If its an immo2, then you need to get a hex editor (I use winhex, there are many others) and edit the eeprom immo bytes and the appropriate checksum bytes, as described in this thread: http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=2973.0title=

> Then once the dump is Immo off how do I flash it back with argdub's tool? and the chip that need to be ground which one is this?

Bootmode info is here, http://www.nefariousmotorsports.com/wiki/index.php/ECU_Boot_Mode or have a search for your type of ECU and bootmode, on some ECUs the orientation of the chip is different. I earth 1.8t ecus for ~6s and they seem to go reliably into boot mode. Syntax for the tool is something like:
me7_95040 --bootmode -w -p 1 eepromdump_off.bin

> Sorry for so many questions but if I could have a run down of exactly what i need to do so I can't muck it up that would be amazing!

No worries, I was in exactly the same situation a couple of months back. Best bet is to go have a read Smiley
Thanks for this detail explanation for dummies!!!
I was about to give up nefmoto. been reading for almost weeks with no luck. info is all over and in many ocassions outdated. not everybody is a computer wizard and people dont like to teach. I learn alot from this one post.
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