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The 3 codes are for all models having the ITT Mark 20 IE Controller
ABS only =03504
ABS and EDL=13504
ABS+EDL+ASR =13204
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Can someone explain what KLDMASRL does please?

I think it limits ASR per rpm and load

I read up on GGCASR in the FR but even using Google translate I'm not clear with what the message is. I looked at the schematics, there are alot of symbols that aren't familiar and I'm not finding a legend anywhere.

I have the address for this in a HSbox

KLDMASRL, start address: 101D9, X-axis: 101D4, 5 x 1, map factor:0.390625, X-axis factor:40

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Which functional block are you referring to? I can take a peek. All of the logical elements are defined at the start of the FR

Maybe we can start tracing the whole process?
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Can someone explain what KLDMASRL does please?

I think it limits ASR per rpm and load

I read up on GGCASR in the FR but even using Google translate I'm not clear with what the message is. I looked at the schematics, there are alot of symbols that aren't familiar and I'm not finding a legend anywhere.

I have the address for this in a HSbox

KLDMASRL, start address: 101D9, X-axis: 101D4, 5 x 1, map factor:0.390625, X-axis factor:40



It's an additive to the CAN signal.

Are you having a problem with torque intervention?
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It's an additive to the CAN signal.

Are you having a problem with torque intervention?


I'd like to disable ASR
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This intervenes via the torque model. I remember finding a solution, but showed no intervention in any logs, so I decided to leave it alone.
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This intervenes via the torque model. I remember finding a solution, but showed no intervention in any logs, so I decided to leave it alone.


no intervention problems, I'm wanting to tweek ASR instead of just disabling it.
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Curious as to how you would like to "tweak" asr. I was under the assumption it is located in the brake controller and commanded by the brake controller. Not sure if there is much configuration to be had unless you mean by tweak the set time / rpm it would activate.

My experience disabling asr via recode brake controller cleared up many symptoms, such a not being able to reach highest rev limit without interance, aswell launching is much smooth and no hesitation off the line.
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Curious as to how you would like to "tweak" asr. I was under the assumption it is located in the brake controller and commanded by the brake controller. Not sure if there is much configuration to be had unless you mean by tweak the set time / rpm it would activate.

My experience disabling asr via recode brake controller cleared up many symptoms, such a not being able to reach highest rev limit without interance, aswell launching is much smooth and no hesitation off the line.

it is in the ABS controller. In my experience with ASR, especially when trying to launch off the line, it slams the brakes so hard to stop the wheel spin that the engine bogs and then ECU kills the power. If you leave it @ WOT its like you are riding a bucking bronco as power comes back in and out while wheels spin then get stopped. Sometimes it engages and the traction light blinks repeatedly as I roll forward a few feet before the engine gets power back and does it all over again.. I wish to be able to keep it @ WOT and ASR slowly engage brakes to the wheel with most wheelspin to slow it down instead of stopping it. I want ASR to control where the load gets distributed during wheelspin instead of just stopping the wheelspin all together but also keep the wheels as close to the threshold of braking traction as possible without crossing over too much. you know.. true Anti Slip Regulation...

I have noticed that using different brake pads change the performance of ASR. A stock compound pad or one for high durability keep ASR way numb compared to more aggressive pads like for racing or even high performance street pads. I've used hawk brand and it sucked. R1 kevlar pads and it sucked.. napa brand oem pads were as expected and Everwear or something like used some super long durability pads from Advance auto. They had a 2 year free replacement with unlimited mileage. ASR worked better than oem.

I also installed the larger diameter Audi TT rotors to my GTI and ASR seems to have improved somewhat again. I think because they are heavier.

I'm sure there is a way to hack the controller but don't know if the ABS pump itself is capable of performing like this. It might could only be an on/off kinda deal. I think the pump would have to be able to operate sequentially so that amount of pressure applied to the brakes is adjustable.

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Went digging and found this. http://www.bosch-motorsport.de/media/msd/downloads/software/bremssysteme_1/RaceABS_1310_Setup.exe

...too bad the needed cable to use it is around $1200

I went ahead and installed it to check it out and it looks like after it reads the current settings it makes it so ABS and ASR fully adjustable.

If only I could hack one of those Chinese obd cables to work with this..

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Went digging and found this. http://www.bosch-motorsport.de/media/msd/downloads/software/bremssysteme_1/RaceABS_1310_Setup.exe

...too bad the needed cable to use it is around $1200

I went ahead and installed it to check it out and it looks like after it reads the current settings it makes it so ABS and ASR fully adjustable.

If only I could hack one of those Chinese obd cables to work with this..



So you really think software intended for use on Bosch Race ABS could be used on your stock ABS system?Huh
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I have no logs because I have a boost gauge (makes things easier)
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So you really think software intended for use on Bosch Race ABS could be used on your stock ABS system?Huh

wishful thinking or something Undecided  I found it, got all exited and didn't read further..  I guess I could purchase the BM ABS kit for like 6000+ bucks and get what I want...lololol

Using the changeable parameters in the software as an example though, I still think there are some things that can be changed for the better in the stock ABS units. Somebody just has to figure out how to do it. I would if I could but I don't know where to start.




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I had the same symptons as you describe "when trying to launch off the line, it slams the brakes so hard to stop the wheel spin that the engine bogs"

When it did engage, the traction light blinks repeatedly.

When I recoded the brake controller for "ABS only" it eliminated the "slamming and bog down" aswell no light on the dash and non functional ASR switch.

I have steel braided lines to all four brake calipers which elimiates the spungy feel in the pedal and improved braking power. of course I flushed the system, put new fluid and re-bleed the whole system for air, along with the clutch master and slave cylinder. As recently had those items apart for fresh 02J transmission swap, which I wish now I invested in 02M, but with the 02J I like B&M short shifter with the reverse lockout, which is not available for 6-speed, with Sachs stg2 228mm flywheel and clutch kit. All other transmission hardware is new, nuts, bolts, wiring, etc.

I have no slipping in anyway on the clutch or gas pedal with the ABS recoded for ABS only and now have no symptons such as you described. Everything grabs and performs well with a good tuning. A bigger brake rotor and caliper size would be my next option aswell, vented and slotted rotors and bigger pin kit for the calipers.

I would like to give that adjustable ABS sw that you found a try when I have some free time to do so and will report back if I find any other ways to mess around with ASR system in the brake controller.
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The 3 codes are for all models having the ITT Mark 20 IE Controller
ABS only =03504
ABS and EDL=13504
ABS+EDL+ASR =13204

As far as i can tell this does not apply to the 2.7t
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As far as i can tell this does not apply to the 2.7t


not sure what the 2.7t cars get but the mk60 abs system has different softcoding than the mk20 iirc.
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