Pages: [1] 2
Author Topic: No-erasable DTC (checksumm error) in me7.1.1 4Z7_907_551N (Allroad 2.7tt)  (Read 21782 times)
a200tq
Jr. Member
**

Karma: +2/-1
Offline Offline

Posts: 45



So-long story. There is 2004 Allroad 2.7tt with manual gearbox with low range. Vag com show me alot of dtc, but one of them was "checksumm incorrect". Owner just bought this car, and know nothing about it. I was very! surprised when i see an mtm-tuned motronic with UNDAMAGED mtm-seal (370 ps) and simple crypto-panel inside. As i know, this crypto can not be write from obd-plug, right?. So, i am downlowad this tuned file from motronic, and yes, there is "1 chk wrong". In mtm-file from sealed box. I do correction of checksumm, desolder crypto, install 29F800BB, upload corrected file. Still have "checksumm incorrect" dtc, that i can not erase with vag-com. Ok, i am upload absolutely trouble-free stock 551N file from auto-gearbox allroad. "checksumm incorrect" dtc again. So gurus, i need your help. How i can erase this DTC? maybe i need login procedure before erase? Or what? Or maybe motronic physycally damageg? Or only mtronic replacement will help?
And maybe anybody have ori-file for this manual gear-low range allroad? there no software version in this dump. I have another non-stock dump for allroad like this (low-range manual), and no software version too. 
Logged
infinkc
Full Member
***

Karma: +6/-1
Offline Offline

Posts: 94



code 16985?  if so its in the 95040 Eprom chip(small 8 pin) not the 800BB.  If you can read out the bin of that chip for me i can fix it for you.
Logged

a200tq
Jr. Member
**

Karma: +2/-1
Offline Offline

Posts: 45



code 16985?  if so its in the 95040 Eprom chip(small 8 pin) not the 800BB.  If you can read out the bin of that chip for me i can fix it for you.

Yes, code is stored in eeprom, like others, but i cant erase it. I dont think, that there is problem in eprom chk, i have problem with eprom chk in other car (due to owner attempts for immo disable), and in this case, even no communication with motronic and no start condition. And there in me7.1.1 eprom is 1kb 74hc00 (dont remember exactly), not 512b st95040, this is more difficult to fix...
Logged
Rick
Hero Member
*****

Karma: +63/-4
Offline Offline

Posts: 704



Are you using Nefmoto to flash?
Logged
a200tq
Jr. Member
**

Karma: +2/-1
Offline Offline

Posts: 45



Are you using Nefmoto to flash?

No, galletto in boot mode on the bench. But there was incorrect checksumm in mtm file (and DTC about this) before i do anything with motronic. With this galeto i am reflesh some amount of me7.x.x without any problem.
Logged
DigiFather
Newbie
*

Karma: +2/-0
Offline Offline

Posts: 11



got similar problem in this ecu 2 month ago , problem is in flash - checksum was not  good calculated, and error was stored in 95040. I back to ori file (flash) and clone 95040 from other same number ecu , next adapt ecu to immo and problem gone...

Logged
terok
Full Member
***

Karma: +8/-3
Offline Offline

Posts: 134



Did you get this fixed already?
No immo adaptation needed.
Problem can be fixed by changing 3 bytes from flash.
Logged
professor
Sr. Member
****

Karma: +25/-0
Offline Offline

Posts: 409




Did you get this fixed already?
No immo adaptation needed.
Problem can be fixed by changing 3 bytes from flash.

And those 3 bytes would be?
Logged

Seat Ibiza MK4 Cupra 1.8t 20V, stg3.
"Those 1.8T 20V machines are really tough" ©
RS4boost
Full Member
***

Karma: +46/-0
Offline Offline

Posts: 125



And those 3 bytes would be?

The ECU checksum error is stored with a "01" at hex 1C and 2C in the 95040 EEPROM.
Both values must be "00" to clear the DTC.

If you have no access to your EEPROM you must desolder it.

If you have changed both values, you must recalculate the LoHi checksums at the end of both lines.
These are at hex 1E/1F for the value in 1C and 2E/2F for the value in 2C.
Logged

professor
Sr. Member
****

Karma: +25/-0
Offline Offline

Posts: 409




The ECU checksum error is stored with a "01" at hex 1C and 2C in the 95040 EEPROM.
Both values must be "00" to clear the DTC.

If you have no access to your EEPROM you must desolder it.

If you have changed both values, you must recalculate the LoHi checksums at the end of both lines.
These are at hex 1E/1F for the value in 1C and 2E/2F for the value in 2C.

In my case error stored with "33" value not "01".
The weird is that i flash my working eeprom  ("00" values @ 1c, 2c), car can start up etc but after some ignitions and few km same problem is back on.
Do you have any suggestions?
Logged

Seat Ibiza MK4 Cupra 1.8t 20V, stg3.
"Those 1.8T 20V machines are really tough" ©
RS4boost
Full Member
***

Karma: +46/-0
Offline Offline

Posts: 125



In my case error stored with "33" value not "01".
The weird is that i flash my working eeprom  ("00" values @ 1c, 2c), car can start up etc but after some ignitions and few km same problem is back on.
Do you have any suggestions?


Ok, I have only seen a "01" with an ECU CS failure, and never a "33".

If the failure came back, there must be an other CS failure in your flashed software, or CS in your EEPROM is not right calculated after changing 1C and 2C to "00".

If definitely not, there must be a hardware failure in your ECU (flash, EEPROM or RAM).

Has you already tryed to flash a original stock software to flash and EEPROM?

These 6 DTC`s can bring a bad CS faiure.

P0601 - 16985 - Motorsteuergerät - Speicher Prüfsummenfehler
P0602 - 16986 - Motorsteuergerät - Programmierungsfehler
P0603 - 16987 - Motorsteuergerät - Fehler Dauerspeicher (KAM/EEPROM)
P0604 - 16988 - Motorsteuergerät - Fehler RAM-Speicher
P0605 - 16989 - Motorsteuergerät - Fehler ROM-Speicher
P0606 - 16990 - Motorsteuergeärt - Interner Fehler

« Last Edit: August 20, 2012, 11:08:48 AM by RS4boost » Logged

professor
Sr. Member
****

Karma: +25/-0
Offline Offline

Posts: 409




Yes but only flashing (in case of 29f800) cause my setup will not work properly with stock flash file.
Files are shown correct CS'ed via winols and me7check.
The problem starts after flashing a modified file and happens 3 times.
Now i am using my previous working file (ive been using this for 2 months and more than 1000km) to see if error ll appear again.

P0601 Motorsteuergerät - Speicher Prüfsummenfehler
this is what i saw, labeled 16985, and car wont start up.
I flash original file, error was removed but car wont start up. I had to flash eeprom in order to make it start.
« Last Edit: August 20, 2012, 08:18:37 AM by professor » Logged

Seat Ibiza MK4 Cupra 1.8t 20V, stg3.
"Those 1.8T 20V machines are really tough" ©
nyet
Administrator
Hero Member
*****

Karma: +607/-168
Offline Offline

Posts: 12268


WWW

I thought flashing through Nefmoto clears this
Logged

ME7.1 tuning guide
ECUx Plot
ME7Sum checksum
Trim heatmap tool

Please do not ask me for tunes. I'm here to help people make their own.

Do not PM me technical questions! Please, ask all questions on the forums! Doing so will ensure the next person with the same issue gets the opportunity to learn from your ex
terok
Full Member
***

Karma: +8/-3
Offline Offline

Posts: 134



I think you should test CDTAATUN -> 0xFF00 and CLAAATUN ->0x00. This doesn't care what's in the eeprom.
Logged
AARDQ
Sr. Member
****

Karma: +11/-0
Offline Offline

Posts: 338



If you have no access to your EEPROM you must desolder it.

I've found that the Willem GQ 3X and Pomona test clip works great, even on a 7.1.1 with 5P8C03 rather than 95040.  No need to de-solder. 

http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4225
Logged
Pages: [1] 2
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines Page created in 0.049 seconds with 17 queries. (Pretty URLs adds 0.006s, 0q)