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« on: October 19, 2015, 10:26:16 PM »

Isn`t flexifuel solution very dangerous for engines? Using both 98 and Ethanol?
I know for a fact that many of VWs flexifuel Passat are broken down with split pistons as friend of mine is working at local VW Dealer.
If sensorn fails or reads wrong - it might read from the wrong KFZW table and boom.
Any thoughts on this?
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2015, 07:15:10 AM »

In general if you've tuned a street engine that close to the edge you need to back off. In over 15 years of professional tuning I've learned that a good tuner is measured not only by performance but by reliability. A single sensor failure should not mean instant engine death.

Having tight limits on the sensor outputs and the fuel trims can allow you to detect the failure early. It's also worthwhile to study the failure mode of the sensor and make sure your strategy is compatible with it. In other words default to your safest timing and fuel combination and only switch when you're certain that the fuel sensed correctly.
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2015, 09:06:56 AM »

So what are the VW ingeeners doing wrong, and why are flexifuels keep splitting pistons?
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2015, 09:46:47 AM »

We have flex fuel cars using only lambda sensor to deal with transients for many years and didn´t hear so much about broken engines...

other thing is split pistons, what dos it mean ?

1. if they are melted = it´s high EGT (lean condition)
2. if the piston groove were rings are mounted are broken = it´s generally too much detonation

(sorry if I misundestood what split pistons are)
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2015, 11:44:24 AM »

Split = split literally and cracked.
Not melted.
I would say detonation.
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2015, 02:35:47 PM »

Or they are of crappy alloy and it is an engine problem and nothing to do with ethanol or gasoline.

I've seen a few cracked pistons on earlier 1.9 PD engines on stock software for example. Nothing to do with the software or anything else for the matter, just bad casting/alloy.
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2015, 08:55:11 PM »

Yeah. These are stock cars, practicly new. A coworker had this happen to him just couple of weeks ago. Passat flexifuel. 30k km on the clock. 3 pistons were cracked, one was splitt. He got a new engine with explanation don't use ethanol. Funny - those guys are suppose to know better.
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2015, 06:35:49 AM »

Split = split literally and cracked.
Not melted.
I would say detonation.

The best way to know is examine the bearings and the cylinders.

Since emissions standards have increased in past years the manufacturers have changed the alloy for their pistons to allow for less thermal expansion and therefore tighter clearances. The addition of more silica means that they tend to be a bit brittle. This is why you frequently find broken ring lands in an OE engine but but bent ones in a forged one. Did they have a bad batch of pistons? Maybe.
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2015, 11:59:44 AM »

Maybe.
I am intressted to know why and how did they resolved it.
Of course they put a new motor in, but that does not answer the guestions.
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