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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2015, 08:12:59 PM »

Updated my xdf some more. Cleaned up the descriptions and added some I read about in the S4 wiki.


Now you're getting it. LMK if you need anything specific.
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2015, 08:41:21 PM »

Good stuff,

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How to work out values from an A2L Smiley

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=5525.msg52371#msg52371


Starting Rev's http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=5397.msg51169#msg51169

noobs read this before asking http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=9014.0title=


ORGORIGINAL 05 5120 creator for Volvo
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ORGINAL finder of the 'extra' torque' limits
I don't have ME7.01 A2L I just use ID
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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2015, 09:24:44 PM »

Thanks for the help. Made starting possible.
Regarding the SAI deletes, when I try to change CDSLS to 0 from 1 and then save, it immediately closes the scaler window, when I reopen, it's back to 1 again.
I know I will have some questions about tables and how to import data from winols map's, if that is the same data. No idea how to start to ramp up the maps and curves.
Lots of questions around how far I can push the stock maf and injectors before I even need to worry about my air temps. How much boost above my current 10psi I can safely develop on the K03 turbo before I should consider upgrading my pipes and IC. But that last one will be after the weather turns warm and I actually heating up my intake air.
I see some late nights ahead for me, once this starts to take shape.
Cheers and thanks again nefmoto folks.
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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2015, 09:44:24 PM »

A lot of questions.

Turbo:  Compressor map helps, but season'd members might help.
WinOLS change the figures and watch the curve change in 3d mode.   You can also drag in 3D
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How to work out values from an A2L Smiley

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=5525.msg52371#msg52371


Starting Rev's http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=5397.msg51169#msg51169

noobs read this before asking http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=9014.0title=


ORGORIGINAL 05 5120 creator for Volvo
ORIGINAL Datalogger (Freeware) Author
ORGINAL finder of the 'extra' torque' limits
I don't have ME7.01 A2L I just use ID
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2015, 10:13:00 AM »

Thanks for the help. Made starting possible.
Regarding the SAI deletes, when I try to change CDSLS to 0 from 1 and then save, it immediately closes the scaler window, when I reopen, it's back to 1 again.
I know I will have some questions about tables and how to import data from winols map's, if that is the same data. No idea how to start to ramp up the maps and curves.
Lots of questions around how far I can push the stock maf and injectors before I even need to worry about my air temps. How much boost above my current 10psi I can safely develop on the K03 turbo before I should consider upgrading my pipes and IC. But that last one will be after the weather turns warm and I actually heating up my intake air.
I see some late nights ahead for me, once this starts to take shape.
Cheers and thanks again nefmoto folks.
:tu
 

You have to set the project size in the XDF menu. I forget where it is, but without that, it won't commit changes to the binary.
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2015, 02:08:54 PM »

Setting the bin file size, from the edit XDF header pop up, to 512 did the trick. Thanks DD.
So now I have edited out the SAI codes I believe. Now I can run checksum corrector on the bin and in theory I am good to go. No more CEL..

Parallel to this work I was able, with help, to get an unlocked version of winols going. So I am hoping I can take my original bin, and apply the map packs developed by members here to it. Then resave and export it back to tunerpro to work with on the car.
The map packs in question seem to have all the map values already developed, which cuts my own leg work significantly.
In winols, when you 'import map packs' it seems to put all the maps and definitions in your left window under your hex dump. Does it overwrite your own bin automatically at the correct addresses, or is that an additional step?
Then I presume you save the project as a BIN once more? That can then be used by tunerpro with the XDF I am developing currently?
Thanks guys.
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2015, 02:11:47 PM »

You have to set the project size in the XDF menu.

This needs to be stickied somewhere... it is really easy to overlook.
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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2015, 02:46:45 PM »

This needs to be stickied somewhere... it is really easy to overlook.

But where? Very few people create xdfs from scratch. Most edit the pre-existing ones from what I've seen.
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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2015, 02:47:37 PM »

I think the best way to think of a map pack is to imagine it as a contents page for a novel.  Say you write a novel about WW1.  100 pages, 10 chapters.  You have your contents page for your novel.  You can look up a page with it. Cool, huh?

I write a novel, 100 pages.  I use your contents page.  Although the book is the same length, I've written a novel about WW2 and yours is about WW1.  It doesn't match up, does it?

You import your .bin into WinOLS and you import a suitable map pack that matches this bin.  All WinOLS is doing is using the map pack as a reference for data.  It doesn't know if the data (contents and axis) are correct; they're based on what the user told it.  It doesn't overwrite it, change the map, etc.  It literally just looks up the part in the file that the user said "that's where LAMFA is".

Now, if you have WinOLS working, why are you exporting it to TunerPro and then using that to save it?  Use WinOLS; with your map pack to create, edit and modify your maps.  It does the checksums for you (if you've bought/downloaded it, whatever (this thread isn't to discuss theft)).  With your checksum'd file, flash it.

Not sure why you're going back to TunerPro.
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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2015, 03:03:49 PM »

Thanks for the replies all.
TunerPro was what I used last year when I was able to take an existing enhanced bin for the AWW engine, and with minimum invested programing and learning time, was able to complete an engine/ecu upgrade on my Corrado. The improved air and all the tuning hit it off right out of the gate so I had to do nothing else to that program.
So this year with the Audi with older ecu and all, and no xdf's out there, but a few kp files I started looking into winols for the first time. Simultaneously DDillenger helped me to create my own xdf from almost scratch. Since all I really need, or want is the CEL light out, I think I am there now with the attached finished bin. Ran checksum correction on it already and everything!
But, if I can get more bang out of my stock 1.8T ATW with some more learning about copying maps and such within winOLS from already tested runs recorded from guys who already did it. I figure that's the way to go.
This being an older car now, I figure everything I am trying to do should have already been done and tested by someone, fine tuning to my specific car not withstanding. So now I'm learning to use OLS.
Anyway, that's the long winded reason I am between tunerpro and winols.
And great analogy and description of the maps being the contents page Adam, Thanks for that clear visual in my head.
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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2015, 06:08:34 PM »

And here is my winols generated BIN checked as well. With all the maps added from the hyperlinked post mentioned on page 1 of this thread.
So if I now understand, the maps will allow me to get to the areas I want to tune, but no tuning has been done already in these maps. So aside from my SAI delete, I have not changed anything yet. Items such as boost, fuel reg, torque maps etc, all still stock in the attached file?
Thanks again.

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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2015, 07:49:38 PM »

Another noob question, how do I determine my mem layout for this ecu?
Opened up the flashing tool and the xml field was empty.
Choices are ME7 29f200, 200BB
29f400, 400BB, and 29f800,800BB, and 800BT.
Thanks.
I did try 29F400BB as indicated in another thread. Just didn't work, so i'm double checking.

Mike
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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2015, 07:54:16 PM »

It's a sticky. In this very section.

Literally the first post.

400BB. If it fails to verify, continue anyway.
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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2015, 10:08:23 PM »

Was the invalid error that threw me thanks.
So, flash done, car still runs, yeah..
Will see if the P0411 code is gone for good but it was the bin I revamped in ols so gives me some hope I can go to the next step.
The tweaks I want to do to my car, boost etc as far as I can go on a stock maf/injector set up, can I use the data from my wideband AWW bin as starting points or no? Too different?

If anyone has any old reference tables and such, I would be most appreciative. Rereading the S4 wiki as it seems to cover what I want to do, but seemingly in the next model ecu as well.
Cheers.

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« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2015, 08:20:20 AM »

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=6695.30
Found a stg 1 nefmoto xml map created last year in the community project thread above. Imported it into the one I am creating for my current build.
Not sure if it's for 7.1 or 7.5. Long thread, but seems to be in line with what I am trying to get to, a stg 1 for stock set up around 14 psi boost.
Any leads if I am going down the wrong path, appreciated greatly. I know this is an old build, and an old ecu now, but I would like to upgrade my own tuning skills on this one so I can apply it to future cars. I was fortunate that I was able to get a BIN that was virtually tailor made for my AWW last year from friends on this and the Corrado forum.
Building my own xdf is a good exercise, if I can acquire the competency to actually work with the data.
Car cruised well on the way to work today. If no codes by the home trip I think the SAI is defeated..
Yeah!
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