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« on: November 16, 2012, 02:09:01 AM »
These are some different tuner pro definitons i started for the C4 URS4/URS6 and the RS2 binaries i found floating online to create the XDF files. i used a 95 URS6 avant and my AAN swapped 4000 quattro and my moates ostrich 2 to attempt to verify some of the maps. in no way are these in any way accurate as to which map is which. if you know which map is which or would like to add to them please feel free, after all sites like these are what open source tuning is all about. some of these have both the timing/fuel XDF's along with the boost file and its XDF and some may not. the one file that is labeled with MTM is actually the MTM stage 1+ plus file set. please dont hold it against me that these are incomplete or incorrect, im jsut trying to learn and help the community out in any way i can.

the XDF's below are older one's, there's better revisions on the second page of this thread. the files here do contain the BIN files to go along with the XDF files.
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2012, 04:15:23 AM »
Looked at RS2 551B, as that's the only one worth working with.

Timing offset/factor is missing.
"Emergency ignition" - this is overrun.
Fuel conversion to meaningful values also missing.

Cold start map you have found one, but there are two, and they are used together...
These are actually "cold start enrichment"... or how much to enrich when the engine has not warmed up yet.
They are not used when cranking the engine - that's a different story.

Use my tool to dump the binary to XDF, and after that move the maps around:
http://www.ecuconnections.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=9700

For boost chip - you found the lookup table, but you don't have axes or meaning for any of the maps...
The axes are always the same depending on the amount of units. There is a map lookup routine... it is very different from the main Motronic fuel/ign processor however.
There is actually a file floating around that has the boost chip defined quite well. Or you can disassemble the rats nest.
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2012, 06:29:55 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2012, 10:54:25 AM »
PRJ, i tried to use your little program and it says it cannot find any of my bianries i try to input into it. strange. followed the command line to the T just like in your post and no lo

I input java -jar mapfinder.jar bin.bin bin.xdf and i get bin.bin found and its in the same directory.
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2012, 10:59:23 AM »
Yea, because you are running it wrong.
It says bin.bin > bin.xdf, and not space.
And the second parameter IF you want to use it is actually the axis descriptor.

I still use the program quite often, never had issues.
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2012, 11:04:27 AM »
@prj  do you have another source for the program please  Huh
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2012, 12:33:27 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2012, 01:09:32 PM »
Quote from: prj on November 16, 2012, 12:33:27 PM
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thx a lot  Wink

Oh dear - i got a lot of java errors and the XDF is empty...  Sad
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2012, 12:43:07 AM »
Quote from: prj on November 16, 2012, 10:59:23 AM
Yea, because you are running it wrong.
It says bin.bin > bin.xdf, and not space.
And the second parameter IF you want to use it is actually the axis descriptor.

I still use the program quite often, never had issues.
Thanks for the program, thats an extremely hand tool. i've been plugging all different kinds of motronic BIN files into it just to see what it will output. any other input you would be willing to share would be great. thanks again.
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2012, 01:33:27 AM »
Quote from: bbax on November 16, 2012, 01:09:32 PM
thx a lot  Wink

Oh dear - i got a lot of java errors and the XDF is empty...  Sad

Post the file you used it on.
Also:

Code:
gm_mba:Downloads gm$ java -jar /Users/gm/work/projects/motronic-mapfinder/mapfinder.jar RS2_fuel_ignition.bin

Motronic map finder by prj (http://prj-tuning.com) (c) 2012
Master table at: 0x8800
Found 122 maps.
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-15" standalone="yes"?>
<XDFFORMAT version="1.30">
    <XDFTABLE uniqueid="0x8BE8">
        <CATEGORYMEM index="0" category="2"/>
        <XDFAXIS id="x">
            <indexcount>1</indexcount>
...
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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2012, 08:12:19 AM »
Does not work with boost file RS2 B , no probs with ign file

C:\>h:

H:\>cd prj mapfinder

H:\prj mapfinder>java -jar adu_boost_551b.bin>adu551boost.xdf
Error: Invalid or corrupt jarfile adu_boost_551b.bin

H:\prj mapfinder>java -jar mapfinder.jar adu_boost_551b.bin>adu551boost.xdf

Motronic map finder by prj (http://prj-tuning.com) (c) 2012
Master table at: 0x2054
Found 270 maps.
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException
        at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
        at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
        at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
        at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source)
        at com.simontuffs.onejar.Boot.run(Boot.java:340)
        at com.simontuffs.onejar.Boot.main(Boot.java:166)
Caused by: java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: 32907
        at com.prj.tuning.mapfinder.a.c.getTables(Unknown Source)
        at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
        at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
        at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
        at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source)
        at com.sun.xml.internal.bind.v2.runtime.reflect.Accessor$GetterSetterRef
lection.get(Unknown Source)
        at com.sun.xml.internal.bind.v2.runtime.property.ArrayERProperty.seriali
zeBody(Unknown Source)
        at com.sun.xml.internal.bind.v2.runtime.ClassBeanInfoImpl.serializeBody(
Unknown Source)
        at com.sun.xml.internal.bind.v2.runtime.XMLSerializer.childAsSoleContent
(Unknown Source)
        at com.sun.xml.internal.bind.v2.runtime.ClassBeanInfoImpl.serializeRoot(
Unknown Source)
        at com.sun.xml.internal.bind.v2.runtime.XMLSerializer.childAsRoot(Unknow
n Source)
        at com.sun.xml.internal.bind.v2.runtime.MarshallerImpl.write(Unknown Sou
rce)
        at com.sun.xml.internal.bind.v2.runtime.MarshallerImpl.marshal(Unknown S
ource)
        at javax.xml.bind.helpers.AbstractMarshallerImpl.marshal(Unknown Source)

        at com.prj.tuning.mapfinder.MapFinder.main(Unknown Source)
        ... 6 more

H:\prj mapfinder>


H:\prj mapfinder>java -jar mapfinder.jar S2RSZD.bin>S2RSZD.xdf

Motronic map finder by prj (http://prj-tuning.com) (c) 2012
Master table at: 0x8800
Found 122 maps.

H:\prj mapfinder>
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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2012, 09:59:27 AM »
This will obviously not work on the boost/knock chip as the boost/knock chip is not even Motronic.
And not even written by the same department...

Have fun disassembling it. It's written like a mess.
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2012, 01:17:27 AM »
Quote from: prj on November 19, 2012, 09:59:27 AM
This will obviously not work on the boost/knock chip as the boost/knock chip is not even Motronic.
And not even written by the same department...

Have fun disassembling it. It's written like a mess.

thx... Wink
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2012, 12:52:14 PM »
hey PRJ, just out of curiousity why do you tell everyone to disassemble everything? cant you just help us out like im trying to do with the boost chip? i think its sort of selfish how you tell everyone to disassemble code on their own because maybe they dont understand how to do it, want to take the time to learn how to do it etc. maybe a guy just wants to experiment with his car. obviously you know far more about this form of motronic than anyone so why do you help us out and post up some actual XDF files for the chips. you jump on allmy threads about this motronic and act like a god but wont really give anything out about it. yeah the map finder works but you have to know a bit more than the common man to use it. really give us something to work with here or please stop posting in my thread's because its really annoying how you treat people. id prefer some real help from knowledgeable people than someone who repeatedly tells everone to pretty much go figure it out for yourself. if i wanted to do that i wouldnt be posting here trying to find answers and get help now would i or any of the other guys here.
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2012, 03:06:40 PM »
I usually won't get involved with posts like this, but this got under my skin.

What makes you feel so entitled?

Why should anyone be obligated to volunteer hours of their time just because someone doesn't want to spend time of their own?

Do you think anyone here was born with this knowledge?

No, it takes alot of time and energy to learn.

Ask a specific question and I guarantee that if someone has the answer, then you will get it.

This do it for me because I don't want to bother to try myself is bullshit.
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