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Technical => Tuning => Topic started by: theredline on October 25, 2019, 10:18:38 AM



Title: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: theredline on October 25, 2019, 10:18:38 AM
Hello, help please! There is a car A6 C5 Allroad, me7. 1... I want to remove the MAF sensor and instead put the Absolute Pressure Sensor with a Temperature Sensor. Tell me how it can be implemented? There is TunerPro but I have not found where you can change the type of sensor, as well as add a calibration map, calibration of sensors and air flow on this sensor. And how to connect it to the ECU auto?? Thanks in advance!


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: nyet on October 25, 2019, 10:19:47 AM
Converting ME7 to speed density properly is a lot of work.

Do you have experience in ASM?


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: theredline on October 25, 2019, 10:44:08 AM
Converting ME7 to speed density properly is a lot of work.

Do you have experience in ASM?

I so understood work in assembler??


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: Blazius on October 25, 2019, 10:47:04 AM
MAF is always primary load input in ME7, you cant get MAP as primary input unless as said you change a lot of crap.


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: theredline on October 25, 2019, 10:50:21 AM
MAF is always primary load input in ME7, you cant get MAP as primary input unless as said you change a lot of crap.

Just I worked with ECU January 5.1, there it was possible to insert simply a card, to change a bit of type of the sensor and instead of MAF to connect MAP, then to calibrate ECU


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: totti on October 25, 2019, 12:47:04 PM
Change the ECU is a possible solution. There is plug and play solution for Me7 which can run from MAP


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: _nameless on October 25, 2019, 12:55:01 PM
i have a patch for sd on me7 if interested feel free to pm


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: nyet on October 25, 2019, 02:08:51 PM
More importantly what problem are you trying to solve? Running sd in an ECU designed for MAF introduces a ton of issues, even if you get a more or less decent hack for it.


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: theredline on October 26, 2019, 01:12:02 AM
and if you implement MAFless??


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: nyet on October 26, 2019, 01:53:43 AM
and if you implement MAFless??

Again, what problem are you trying to solve by going MAFless?


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: theredline on October 26, 2019, 02:27:35 AM
Again, what problem are you trying to solve by going MAFless?

The essence is to remove MAF since two independent zero filters are installed on each turbine and there is no place for MAF since there will be no common air pipe to the turbines. The air at the MAF to calculate not happen.


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: Blazius on October 26, 2019, 03:28:27 AM
I dont think you seem to understand. This ecu is load/torque based, the primary load input comes from MAF. MAP is used for boost control on error checking... MAFless basically means running alpha N , which is essentially limp mode, but it does really bad on same load/rpm situations , and stuff like hills, temp changes and so on.


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: theredline on October 26, 2019, 03:40:07 AM
I dont think you seem to understand. This ecu is load/torque based, the primary load input comes from MAF. MAP is used for boost control on error checking... MAFless basically means running alpha N , which is essentially limp mode, but it does really bad on same load/rpm situations , and stuff like hills, temp changes and so on.

But the correction of the mixture is also performed by lambda probes, correct the calculation of the fuel mixture.


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: fknbrkn on October 26, 2019, 04:16:52 AM
Which are narrowband so doesn't work on WOT


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: theredline on October 26, 2019, 04:35:27 AM
Which are narrowband so doesn't work on WOT
Is it possible to replace it with broadband?


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: nyet on October 26, 2019, 08:58:18 AM
Is it possible to replace it with broadband?


Requires ASM modifications even more difficult than for speed density.

Again, what problem are you trying to solve?


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: IamwhoIam on October 26, 2019, 10:28:15 AM
Requires ASM modifications even more difficult than for speed density.

Again, what problem are you trying to solve?

Split intakes with 1 filter each side by the sound of it...


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: theredline on October 26, 2019, 10:29:26 AM
Requires ASM modifications even more difficult than for speed density.

Again, what problem are you trying to solve?

The essence is to remove MAF since two independent zero filters are installed on each turbine and there is no place for MAF since there will be no common air pipe to the turbines. The air at the MAF to calculate not happen.replacing the MAP sensor with 3 bars!


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: totti on October 26, 2019, 10:30:33 AM
This ecu supports speed density control http://www.ignitronecu.com/


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: theredline on October 26, 2019, 10:30:46 AM
Split intakes with 1 filter each side by the sound of it...

Can I read more?


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: theredline on October 26, 2019, 10:33:15 AM
This ecu supports speed density control http://www.ignitronecu.com/

for Russia, $ 1000 is very expensive!


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: IamwhoIam on October 26, 2019, 10:41:27 AM
for Russia, $ 1000 is very expensive!

Because you think you'll be getting a SD patch for anything less than that on the forum here or what? LOL you crack me up. NO, no one will give you such a patch for free, unless it's something copied from elsewhere and they have no clue how much time and effort went into writing such a patch. Hey, out of interest, did you put $20 rods in your engine?


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: theredline on October 26, 2019, 11:16:28 AM
Because you think you'll be getting a SD patch for anything less than that on the forum here or what? LOL you crack me up. NO, no one will give you such a patch for free, unless it's something copied from elsewhere and they have no clue how much time and effort went into writing such a patch. Hey, out of interest, did you put $20 rods in your engine?

1480$ in the motor already lies...


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: theredline on October 26, 2019, 11:19:08 AM
Because you think you'll be getting a SD patch for anything less than that on the forum here or what? LOL you crack me up. NO, no one will give you such a patch for free, unless it's something copied from elsewhere and they have no clue how much time and effort went into writing such a patch. Hey, out of interest, did you put $20 rods in your engine?

and Pro for free and words not was, but roll away 1,000$ for naked ECU, then still buy software to his align for me this seems a bit not is logical!


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: totti on October 26, 2019, 11:39:36 AM
and Pro for free and words not was, but roll away 1,000$ for naked ECU, then still buy software to his align for me this seems a bit not is logical!

What software? The tuning software is free for the ECU.


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: nyet on October 27, 2019, 12:24:15 AM
What software? The tuning software is free for the ECU.

Writing custom ASM is not free.


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: totti on October 27, 2019, 01:38:42 AM
Writing custom ASM is not free.

I showed him an ECU which is capable to run with speed density.


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: Blazius on October 27, 2019, 03:59:20 AM
Better get an Easy Ecu 3, does its job fine.


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: fluke9 on October 28, 2019, 08:37:17 AM
Why wouldn't running the MAF on one bank and scale it *2 work ?

But yeah, go fully standalone if you need to run sd or alpha/n...
VEMS for example is not terribly expensive and nice to tune.


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: IamwhoIam on November 22, 2019, 10:37:21 AM
Retard alert here or what?


Title: Re: Replacing MAF with MAP
Post by: seishuku on November 24, 2019, 12:55:30 PM
Run the MAF sensor in the cold pipe, we used to do that all the time on stock ECU Nissan setups. Usually produced more accurate airflow/intake temp readings too.

Down side is possible oil contamination on the hot wire in the MAFS, but that's not that bad.