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Technical => Cluster and Immobilizer => Topic started by: Aneves on November 22, 2016, 05:09:05 PM



Title: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: Aneves on November 22, 2016, 05:09:05 PM
This will probably get moved to newbie section but, I was messing around trying to tune and wiped out my cluster programming. How is yet to be solved "stupidity of not knowing what the hell I was doing" and still don't!! But you have to start somewhere.


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Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: adam- on November 23, 2016, 01:25:26 AM
How does that even happen?!  ECU and cluster are different.  How do you even mix up the software?


Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: Aneves on November 23, 2016, 05:44:52 AM
How does that even happen?!  ECU and cluster are different.  How do you even mix up the software?

New to the whole thing. Honestly have no idea how I mixed them up. My ecu took a dump and I was trying to tune it or at least put an original file back on to it, mixed up ecu and cluster at some point.


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Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: f1torrents on November 23, 2016, 01:49:06 PM
What tool were you using to flash?



Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: gt-innovation on November 23, 2016, 02:05:36 PM
This will probably get moved to newbie section but, I was messing around trying to tune and wiped out my cluster programming. How is yet to be solved "stupidity of not knowing what the hell I was doing" and still don't!! But you have to start somewhere.


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There is a sticker or at list it should be there with your sw info on top or on the back of your cluster..it would be even better if you kept the sw numbers before you erase anything...Just post them here so we know what we should search for...there should be an sgo for your cluster in the normal vw cds/dvds however if the obd programming is not working you should rip apart the cluster and read the MCU+eeprom pair (usualy with Xprog) and if you have the correct pair in your hands it shouldn`t be hard to write it back too...If you can not code your immo just remove it from your ecu.Tools that could help are : Vas505x / Vcp / Arbites and Vcds if you have the login codes.

Good luck.



Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: Aneves on November 23, 2016, 03:17:25 PM
What tool were you using to flash?
I was all over the damn place like an idiot!! Between NefMoto software, me7. With rosstech cable via ODB port.


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Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: Aneves on November 23, 2016, 03:18:45 PM
There is a sticker or at list it should be there with your sw info on top or on the back of your cluster..it would be even better if you kept the sw numbers before you erase anything...Just post them here so we know what we should search for...there should be an sgo for your cluster in the normal vw cds/dvds however if the obd programming is not working you should rip apart the cluster and read the MCU+eeprom pair (usualy with Xprog) and if you have the correct pair in your hands it shouldn`t be hard to write it back too...If you can not code your immo just remove it from your ecu.Tools that could help are : Vas505x / Vcp / Arbites and Vcds if you have the login codes.

Good luck.
Ok I'll check cluster and see if I have any numbers. Immo is off already on ecu. Vwmaniac helped me out with that one.


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Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: _nameless on November 23, 2016, 07:27:21 PM
Problem is you can not adapt a key to the immo because the ecu is immo offed. If you flash the cluster with a new eeprom your keys and skc won't match. Normally  with immo active you'd be able to log in and adapt the cluster then pair your key to the cluster. This can not happen because the ecu is immo off so no adaptation or programming will be excepted. You can bring the cluster back to life no problem but you'll have to live with a immo light forever unless the immobilizer is reenanabled so programing will be excepted. That is unless you know how to kill the immo light in eeprom  ;)
Good luck


Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: f1torrents on November 24, 2016, 02:54:04 AM
I havent used the nefmoto software but I dont think it is able to flash the cluster.
Vagtacho,Vas dash can, Vag commander etc are the cluster.

Are you sure you actually flashed the cluster?


Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: adam- on November 24, 2016, 03:14:31 AM
Yeah, that's where I'm going with that.  Nefmoto software doesn't connect or go anywhere near the cluster.

Unless you've used vag-tacho or EEPROM programmer to try and flash an ECU file to the cluster.  But that's just plain silly.


Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: Aneves on November 24, 2016, 04:56:16 AM
I havent used the nefmoto software but I dont think it is able to flash the cluster.
Vagtacho,Vas dash can, Vag commander etc are the cluster.

Are you sure you actually flashed the cluster?
It might have been the vwtester software that I downloaded from here. You are correct with the NefMoto cannot connect to cluster. I don't have my laptop with me so I can't honestly tell you which one I used. But I'm pretty sure I messed it up. I was trying to reflash ecu, everything was running with the car I just didn't get full throttle initially, when I was trying to flash I noticed cluster went dead and as soon as I turn key on fans go on and don't turn off. Lower right hand on cluster says def.


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Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: Aneves on November 24, 2016, 04:58:54 AM
Yeah, that's where I'm going with that.  Nefmoto software doesn't connect or go anywhere near the cluster.

Unless you've used vag-tacho or EEPROM programmer to try and flash an ECU file to the cluster.  But that's just plain silly.
Ohh I can do some silly things!! lol I'm very, I mean very new to this. I'm not that patient either so I really just throw myself at it. That's not a good thing apparently when tuning.


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Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: Aneves on November 24, 2016, 05:01:14 AM
Problem is you can not adapt a key to the immo because the ecu is immo offed. If you flash the cluster with a new eeprom your keys and skc won't match. Normally  with immo active you'd be able to log in and adapt the cluster then pair your key to the cluster. This can not happen because the ecu is immo off so no adaptation or programming will be excepted. You can bring the cluster back to life no problem but you'll have to live with a immo light forever unless the immobilizer is reenanabled so programing will be excepted. That is unless you know how to kill the immo light in eeprom  ;)
Good luck
In all honesty I have no idea how to turn immo on or off! Lol. As you can tell I don't even know what program I used.


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Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: f1torrents on November 24, 2016, 02:29:58 PM
Take the cluster out of the car. Get the part number from the label and post it.
Someone will get you a stock file but then you have to adapt the cluster to the keys and ecu.


Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: vwaudiguy on November 24, 2016, 08:11:45 PM
That is unless you know how to kill the immo light in eeprom  ;)

I don't expect an answer, but hey, it doesn't hurt to ask, right?  :P Maybe I'll get lucky for once, Marty. :)


Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: adam- on November 25, 2016, 04:36:06 AM
What were you trying to flash, if you don't know what you're doing?  If you're really that new, the only thing you should be doing is reading the ECU, no writing.


Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: Aneves on November 26, 2016, 10:23:14 AM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161126/b38e84cf19dd9ee14e453fe3169ea7ee.jpg)


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Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: Aneves on November 26, 2016, 10:24:28 AM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161126/f420c00d64ac4164ead12226b484623c.jpg)
Here are some pics of the cluster


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Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: Aneves on November 26, 2016, 10:24:57 AM
Take the cluster out of the car. Get the part number from the label and post it.
Someone will get you a stock file but then you have to adapt the cluster to the keys and ecu.
Pics just loaded to post.
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Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: Aneves on November 26, 2016, 10:26:56 AM
What were you trying to flash, if you don't know what you're doing?  If you're really that new, the only thing you should be doing is reading the ECU, no writing.
Your 100 percent correct.


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Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: f1torrents on November 26, 2016, 11:19:11 AM
I took a quick look and cant find your exact part number, I have a lot of KM clusters but not many Miles ones.

I found this which is the closest I can see around.
Give it a try, cant be worse then where you are now.

BEFORE YOU FLASH THE CLUSTER>>>>
-Make a backup read of where you are now and post what comes out..
-Do not flash it until you can successfully read the cluster and post it here for us to look at.

I am still thinking you did not flash the cluster in the first place.

On second thought I'm not even going to post the file until you post a read of what is currently on the cluster.



Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: Aneves on November 26, 2016, 04:27:37 PM
I took a quick look and cant find your exact part number, I have a lot of KM clusters but not many Miles ones.

I found this which is the closest I can see around.
Give it a try, cant be worse then where you are now.

BEFORE YOU FLASH THE CLUSTER>>>>
-Make a backup read of where you are now and post what comes out..
-Do not flash it until you can successfully read the cluster and post it here for us to look at.

I am still thinking you did not flash the cluster in the first place.

On second thought I'm not even going to post the file until you post a read of what is currently on the cluster.
Ok will do. I was trying to read it the other day and couldn't tie into it. Any suggestions?  I'm using vag-k commander 2.5.


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Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: _nameless on November 26, 2016, 09:56:49 PM
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7994.0;attach=13220
This should be close enough to adapt
You can't brick the cluster it will always accept new eeprom write. Even if the checksums are bad you can log into cluster with vcds and recalc checksums by selecting "do it" under recode and it will up cks
EEPROM PIN = 05004


Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: f1torrents on November 27, 2016, 07:07:41 AM
Don't flash that file until you successfully read the old file.
And post it here.




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Title: Re: Need original cluster file 2002 gti vr6 12v
Post by: Aneves on November 27, 2016, 07:55:15 AM
Don't flash that file until you successfully read the old file.
And post it here.




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Ok you got it.


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