NefMoto

Because the industry is too busy jealously guarding their crumbs of information, so everybody constantly has to re-invent the wheel.

This enormous waste of resources means nobody has time to do anything properly: just one hack on top of another.

If I had a pint, I'd raise my glass to that. This statement applies to every corner of the tuning industry.

LOL.
I think your reading comprehension fails you. To flash a valid binary on VAG MED9 you have to write the entire flash every time.
It's just the way the algo is.

If you want it faster, you need to write your own algo. For example like ME7 works where you can sum, erase and flash only a certain sector.
You will both have to make a flashtool and create/modify the bootloader in the ECU to allow you to flash it block by block.

Even if someone would release the ECU code to do that, there is still no purchasable flashtool that will do it, because it is not protocol.

The low-effort fast way if you want to develop something is simply solder a BDM connector. You will have to pull the ecu plugs every time, but you can have it turned around in about 3 minutes.

Which only has to be done once, by one person, who can publish the source. Which is the way it is done in sane development cultures.

In any case, it is a tragedy of the commons problem, as usual. There is no incentive to do any of that, let alone resources available to do it without a guaranteed ROI, so it will never happen. Like I said, a cultural failure.

Please buy a one way ticket to North Korea and never come back... enjoy your communist shit there. Seriously.
Getting tired of the yadda yadda. You have contributed NOTHING here apart from flaming. No one cares.

You know, there are companies who make money out of tuning cars.
Having faster calibration flashing is their market advantage, so initial investment saves itself over time.

Just like my 4wd dyno and my 20 grand in flash tools are a market advantage against crap sellers here who use chinese shit to flash 25 eur ebay files. So I can make quality work for triple the money and still have my calendar fully booked.
If some of my development work finds itself on this forum through me releasing it to the community, then be GRATEFUL for it, rather demanding more and flaming. Or it will stop.

I guess you never ran your own company, so all you know is a 9-5 deskjob. When you are not on a 9-5 deskjob, then every moment of your time is money.
When you have infinite amount of work, you naturally pick the most interesting and/or lucrative work. You also learn to appreciate other's time a lot more.

My job depends on software, just like yours does.

Do you happen to know the history of ATT/BSD/USL?

Hint: I don't depend on SysV Unix, or WindRiver, or any of that shit code from shitheads.


Like I said, toxic culture.

The only one toxic here is you. Stop flaming if you have nothing useful to say on topic.

Lets see: the single most useful programs by in this community

1) me7logger - closed source abandonware
2) NefMoto Flasher - closed source abandonware.
3) galletto bootmode flasher - dos mode closed source crap.

Wow, thats awesome!

In my daily work, every single tool that we use we have access to the source to (from the bottom up, at every level) fix problems ourselves. Period.. Even better, when we fix problems, they get incorporated upstream. Bottom line? Everyone makes more money, has a better ROI, and spends less time re-inventing the wheel, and struggling to fix bugs that they would otherwise have to depend on VENDORS to fix.

If you have never experienced this, you will simply never understand it. It has nothing to do with communism or any of that other bullshit negative connotation shit (I have heard it all, believe me). It has to do with getting shit done (and bugs fixed and TESTED)  in the most efficient way possible - by leveraging large scale effort and collaborative tools.

Because I have experienced trying to develop (both large software projects and embedded systems) in the other laughably stupid proprietary world (AT&T/USL/WindRiver etc) run by complete assholes.

Flame me all you want; you are the last person to complain about anyone being harsh or mean for speaking their minds. It won't stop me from calling the things the way I see them, just like you call things the way you see them. I would never DREAM of asking you to shut up.

Also, topic split.

Only thing worth anything about ME7Logger is the parser that parses the structure in asm and assigns variables.
But I already wrote a script in IDA that only needs structure start address and then based on assembly code alone points you to the definition of the block.

Making a replacement ME7Logger is trivial. The difficult bit is ME7Info. Because you have to define every block/ram value. It just takes a lot of time to do it.
I can post the code that is behind the ME7Info tree traversal but I have no time to do block-by-block stuff. And you need to do a lot of blocks - you can make some assumptions that some vars are always next to each other in memory of course, but it's still a lot of blocks.

Nefmoto flasher - useless imo, I have my own flash tools.

Galletto boot flasher does what it says on the tin, runs even under Win10 without issues. IDK why you need the source to that.
If you don't want to use it just use minimon, does exactly the same thing. Or write your own. Probably would take a day to do it. You can just sniff Galletto's bootstrapper and write a custom tool to deliver the payload.

As for work - this forum has very little to do with "work".
Most gasoline stuff I work on is ME17/MED17/SIMOS8+/MSD8+/MSV8+ and then some Denso and Mitsubishi thrown in the mix. Not to mention ZF6HP/ZF8HP and all the DSG and DCT boxes.
You have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes on new ECU's where often just to make a proper tune you have to make asm mods because boost control is not possible to calibrate by a human being.
Also the FR documents are 20 000 pages and the damoses have over 20 000 calibratable labels. Those are available for very little money, but to actually make sense of them needs many years of experience.

New kid on the block is Bosch MDG1 - no idea what will happen with that. If half that is said is true RIP tuning from 2018 on.

From an economics point of view, it is irrational for firms in the industry to share information which cost them resources to obtain. Without the monopoly power associated with product differentiation (eg. new protocols, etc.. ), then there is no economic rationale for trying to develop new protocols to flash newer ECUs/TCUs.

It's essentially the same problem faced by the pharmaceutical industry. There needs to be an incentive to develop new technology. Everyone wants to be the first to release a protocol to flash x ECU before everyone else to capture the market. If sharing information increases the chance of another company releasing it before they do, then they will not share information.

It's the sad reality, but this is an industry that is driven on proprietary information, like it or not.

Actually, the pharmaceutical trade is actually a bad comparison.

Check the stats here https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/lsg-pdsv.nsf/eng/h_hn01703.html

24 Billion in total sales in 2015.

-15 Billion in patented drugs

-9 Billion in non-patented drugs.

-0.87 Billion spent on R&D....

That's right, R&D consitutes 3.5 cents on the dollar (as applied to gross revenue).

Selling drugs at an obscene mark up to recoup development costs is an absolute fallacy and the numbers presented in this report don't lie.

The stark reality is that the bulk of pharmaceutical sales come from changes in delivery systems (i.e. sustained release tablets) or 'me too' drugs, which are simply existing drugs which are approved for other off label applications.

You want to know where most of the Pharmaceutical company spending is concentrated... advertising and buying off doctors with perks and trips if they push the 'flavor of the month' drugs to their patients.

Furthermore, no one ever acknowledges that often times, pharmaceutical companies often get free R&D in the form of information from studies performed by public institutions (i.e. Universities).

But when it comes time to actually develop a drug for sale, private pharmaceutical companies take the leg work performed by public institutions, run the necessary clinical trials, patent it and sell it at obscene mark ups without any revenue sharing to the publicly funded institutions which did the 'heavy lifting' in the form of early studies and pilot trials.

Anyway, just had to get that off my chest I guess lol.

So, let me ask you this: Would you be willing to take that skill set and apply it in order to develop some new flashing options for the community at large?

Let me be clear, I'm not asking this to call you out, I think you have a very unique skill set which could be used to better this community as a whole.

Further, I think I speak for the community here when I say that any contributions in that sense would be much appreciated.

So, what do you say?  :)

Of course I would.

Nyet, seeing as you're willing to put your time into developing some new options for the community, I have PM'd you what I hope will be some useful information. Check it and let me know if it's of any use to you, hopefully it is.

*thumbup*

Seems kinda secret handshake to me.  :P

Nah, just my logon credentials for a subscription site that has some very useful Bosch info that someone with software development skills may be able to put to good use. Just don't want to advertise which one seeing I pay for access to it.

I would happily pay for the end product.

As I'm sure many would for a good, well developed product.

Hell I spent $50 buying BMW flashing software just because I wanted to encourage the fellow who made it to keep at it.

I retract my comment. :)

Rough idea what it's got? I'm always looking for something worth starting a group collab on

A bunch of tuning files for more recent ECU's (nothing really that special, but it's a good starting point for research).

But more to the point of this thread, it has almost a terabyte of DAMOS and internal documents,ECU development tools/applications, etc... which appear to be lifted straight from Bosch's servers... ;)

Happy to pay for access ...

This topic was interesting to read lol...egos aside. It was enjoyable.

Same here.  :)

The Antikythera Mechanism was made ~100 years before Jesus Christ, yet machines of similar complexity did not occur until ~1400 years after it's destruction.

If it was more accessible and widespread, the ideas would have been observed by others and built upon, giving us 1400 years of advancement in the understanding of geared mechanism. Not to mention astronomical observations and the countless scientific lives murdered by the high religious society of developed countries disagreeing with observational facts. There was surely anatomical and medicinal information lost in the destruction of these ancient societies, or technology and science that lingers with Cold War opponents, behind patents, other closed doors . 

While you may be smart, and the first one to figure it out, refusing to share those ideas makes them worthless.. like a dead man, you are not part of the world. Fearing competition or partnership is a neurological suffering that will bring the community down as whole, for personal short term gain.

How do I feel this relates to tuning?
There is Not a "correct" way to tune a vehicle, any more than there is a "correct" way to sing, or paint a canvas - its a personal taste. Production Car to Top Fuel.
There is no Supposer for the arrogant who can not be held accountable.
If you were an Artist, in the tuning sense, you would paint your own picture, and might find fault in more paintings than someone who isn't an artist. Does the King's taste dictate yours?

With the advancement in the electronics, a standalone ECU for a few of my cars (D2 S8, S60R), is Not viable. The transmissions, Haldex, Traction control, ABS, all the other control units must be operated normally, or better yet, open to modification. The OE ECU must be used, or the car is a pile of parts. The Luxury is in the refinement. 

I ended up in this thread after not finding what I was looking for, and scouring forums and realizing nobody has posted a unified source for ANY tuning tools, or any (proper) software to access the Volvo. Bunch of half baked code scattered across the web along with unresponsive neck beards that think their shit don't stink - when it smells the worst. If you want to talk about scammers, dipshits and hacks, look no further than the Volvo world.. There is a guy who sells Volvo branded Freeware, and the community suggest him ripping people off for it. Shooting themselves in the foot.  Why the cars are crushed so quickly and have no value, when its better than an Evo X.. Point out to anyone how toxic the culture is and they ghost and block you or "Neg Rep", proving the point, and adding absolutely nothing.  How can I read my S60R ECU over CAN, end with a usable bin, and who hoards all the definition files? Or do I need to jerk someone off for that? It should be public. The Audi is easy enough with the janky Nefmoto flasher, bullshit cmd line checksum program, and a few dumpster fire definition files. TunerPro is Free... That single man has done more for multiple communities than the entire community here has done for themselves.. So has the Ross-tech team.. Unfortunately they do not support many types of flash editing or open source modifications to their software.


Social media whoring and the never-ending strive for short term attention and fame is a curse suffered by men. Especially smart ones who may not do well in real life and leverage their isolation on a computer to build programming skill that makes them admired by other superficial men who build cars. Programmers. What is the stereotypical image? The IS a psychology to this culture, and it is obvious. Most Tuners are socially awkward and often ugly. They need Likes more than anyone. Don't get mad at me for spitting the truth. If somebody else can competently Launch control flame gargle pop, I wont get as many likes, and will have to invest more energy in creating a new feature that distinguishes me from the guy who copied my work. Maybe my new rolling antilag feature will include VVT activation, or activate the SAI to spool the turbo. We must make this information publicly accessible to as many interested people as possible. New people brings new ideas which brings growth to the topic YOU are interested in! I am here to trudge through the bullshit and gather the bits I need to teach other people locally and at the track how to tune their vehicles themselves - because so many people have been fucked sideways by the "experts" generated here under the "don't ask, don't tell" mindset you have about everything. Having tuned countless machines for well over a decade, I have no delusions in my understandings of how things work. Engines or their tuning communities. I don't need anyone to like me, that is not why I am here. If shit-stirring is the best way to make things happen, so be it. The programmers here are massively delusional and need to quit getting off to their fans, "please, please". Do it because it is the right thing to do, and spares you the negativity associated with refusal. How many super hero movies is the villain someone who wanted to be like the superhero?.. Maybe it would have been easier to share the flashing tool, instead of creating anger in the community to promote action.

The fact there is not a single Do-it-all community freeware app that can read/write flash from nearly every module in VAG cars, EEProms, Clusters, checksums encryptions, is kinda mind boggling. The cars are mostly in the junkyard or melted down, and there still isn't anything.. I have doubts there ever will be. This community has Failed, so far. Tuning in general in the USA at a commercial level, for road going vehicles is coming under increasingly heavy scrutiny and goes against several federal safety codes for the EPA and DOT, not to mention unclaimed income, cash or PayPal, etc. that I am sure the IRS wants to know about. I may not code well, but I am perfectly capable of raising alarm to these agencies about the illegal activities contained in each and every one of these side gigs. You advertise your illegal activities on public social media sites and post videos racing and speeding on identifiable streets.  Don't act like you're a saint. "Nefarious". I would rather not bring the house down, but when it never made it past the foundations and a few pieces of frame, the shit needs demolished so the Rat programmers and tuners quit living in the shit left by the community. It is no different than drug dealing. Don't be surprised when you see a federal investigation opened on your tuning history. See the Motorex Skyline disaster, and wonder if your clients will be contacted for vehicle inspections. Playing stupid games - stupid prizes await.

I think a lot of people in this conversation are conflating tuning and tuners (who are by and large, clowns), and software and tools. When it comes to software and tools, the problem here isn't "neckbeards" and "social media" (c'mon, social media was hardly even a thing when ME7 was around).

It's that making software that works for multiple people and does multiple things is *exponentially harder* than making software that works for one use case in one situation. And, publishing documentation is for the most part a thankless exercise in pain.

All nyet is really asking IMO is that when people make software that works once, they share the source so someone else can try to make it better, and they host it on a semi-reliable platform like GitHub or GitLab. I don't think this is too crazy to ask.

On the other hand, expecting good documentation and a magic swiss army knife tool - well, if you want that, why don't you grab a shovel and start writing some documentation?

Don't feed the troll, not worth your time.

Ha! You would be offended, seeing as you are the type of unhelpful people I am talking about. I posted in the off-topic section under a related post, as to make my post relevant. Maybe he has free time, like myself, and feel the need to start a change in a community I am now forced to be a part of as a result of expanding my horizons to European Bosch based vehicles. Freedom of speech? I am willing to offend you, and that should be ok!, as you regularly offend others who are too coy to call you out.

A Great Example of your rotten contributions would be the 6HP19 Thread you are participating in, waving you E-Peen around being a clown.
Help the poor sap! You claim to know, then share the support! Otherwise, you are only being a tease - which nobody likes.

D3irb has been perfectly reasonable in his response, and has contributed things on github, and would love to see more! He might even be human!
In regards to social media, I am talking about the strive for affirmation and purpose. "Like Me".  I dont need people to like me. The world needs assholes to get shit done. It is clearly a mess around here.

People often call, text, and email me for tunes on a Variety of platforms. I do it for charity, I even give cars away, and always make sure the end user is aware of the changes I am making, why I am doing it, and how they can adjust it to their needs down the road. I teach people to fish. People are messaging me because every option to tune a Volvo is a scam ran by a little cheat of a person, who takes the money and then ghosts them, with so many fanbois and nutswingers censoring your comments on FB, etc, the truth can not be told. Scam after scam.  I am literally fucking disgusted, and feel sick with a pain in my chest. People peddle shit like a crack head on the corner.

Prj, someday you wont be around, but the things like the 6HPyou work on will be. A few of the Volvo tuners I am forced to stalk have actually died. You have the opportunity today with the internet to make your discoveries widespread, appreciated, recorded and used to build understanding of the next platform. You must provide digestible media and data for the next generation of tuners to build off and grow. Selfishness is not sustainable, nor does it show a love for what you are doing. If you can not explain what is going on to a toddler, you do not understand.

I have compiled nearly everything I can find, from useful posts, to software, and plan making a relatable series of tutorials for the idiots that need spoon-fed, because sometimes that is your friend, or little brother, or your kid. I have had 4 requests for S60R tunes after the 3 existing options, which all came from here! Produced a shit tune after THOUSANDS of dollars. Guitar24t Hilton, contrast Urbas tuning. S60r s60rxtreme bhalme sparkyR, have ALL been accused of ghosting the customer and producing choppy tunes. That shit is coming from here! PLENTY of people know how to tune a vehicle, but restricting the tools to a few window licking fucktards results in the scene being a dump, and the cars being trashed and devalued.

If I need to troll the entire internet, I will. Something must be done to address what I see as a tuning crisis, and a slow death of the modified car in general. People too afraid to speak up, cause people kiss your feet for the information you hang over their head. Then they will tell the customers blatant lies to discourage them from tuning. "Its all hex" "You need to be a software engineer" "If you are asking, don't even try" "Its out there"
No shit, the information to go to the moon is out there and I don't see anyone goin there!

I have gotten dozens of projects accomplished by rousing the community. Sometimes you gotta turn the manure under.

The Alphabet club comments are tongue-in-cheek, and I do believe people should consider the legitimacy of their business practices and how it effects others. There is a disclaimer for a reason. Taxes have a purpose. And Scams are rampant. Go to the track. More people go to the track, and we get more tracks. Head in ass is going to drive the scene into a bigger pit. If some dipshit tunes his vehicle to crack and pop and shoot flames, good on him, but I definitely dont think a shop that doesnt pay taxes should be selling emissions defeating software that disturbs the peace and possibly gives some elderly person a scare. How is that fair for the legitimate companies that do follow the rules?

If common people were allowed access to the tools and basic information they need to modify their cars, the entire community would flourish and take care of themselves, instead of the dozen or so problems currently working in the industry. There is also an advantage of having widespread education and understanding of tuning when any legislation or crackdown on performance shops DOES happen and there is a prohibition or underground era when the only way the art will survive is if the knowledge and tools are widespread. Kinda like gun ownership. They cant take them all away, but they could shut down the few people who tune, and that would be the end of it because the tools weren't available. There IS plenty of benefits doing things the proper way and sharing. It's called Altruism

 

I look forward to additions to the wiki (we could rebrand to from s4 to me7) and github repo links.

Too long, did not read.

Can you type some more? :D

Don't hold your breath, it's a random troll with a throwaway e-mail provider.

You did read it. You ain't got nothing to say, so you blow it off and act cool.


Here are PRJ's website if anyone wants to pay for his services:
http://tuner.ee
http://esremaps.ee

It's nice to see you now Almost acting helpful on the 6HP thread.
Amazing the change an asshole can bring.

Unlike you, I won't ever get a dime from my efforts, and that's ok. Cause I can't take anything with me, and would rather leave a scar on the community than walk away defeated by you!.
The lies people make to defend their tiny little side hustles is fucked.  I ain't random, and I can throwaway a lot more to hunt assholes down.
Your insecurities and failure to involve the community is the reason I am forced to pop in and out of various forums with burners or VPNs to straighten this shit out. .


@Nyet.
"Ded ass No Cap, fr fr"

I don't believe many people have the concentration and attention to read, not to mention literacy is very slow, and people want examples. Times have changed.
TL;DR, like the unit above.

An on-screen capture with me doing a "first tune" would be much more useful. Posted on Youtube. Talking hands, like This Old Tony. In a language my people can understand.

I have hoarded all the programs I can find, speculating the top tuners like PRJ, and Volvo scammers like guitar24t, contrast, and SparkyR halme s60rr s60rxtreme try to block ban, and take down the files or claim copyrigh, or some other crap. All 3 of those tuners produce Dogshit, but are praised, as they cut off and fuck over any competition. They suck ASS at tuning and scam people, and lie. Man oh man do they lie. The Lie is stronger than the Truth!! Halme is the best liar, writing Fantasy novels that would rival JRR Tolkien. Dude is a drug addict. People lap up his nonsense like candy. Their tuning experience is a damn joke admitted by themselves to NOT be tuners. None of them are tuners. They are programmers who CAN tune, but suck, and the results are unimpressive as can be.



I will have to host it on multiple servers across the world and/or a private FTP servers, and have contacted a video editor and several other Volvo owners who I am working with to eradicate the most current crop of scammers this website generates. They are fucking horrible.

There will be a Giveaway car 2004 S60R and Manual M66 swap kit for the programmer capable of producing an open source Volvo Tuning GUI. I will formally announce the competition once I release the collective repository of the files availalbe at the current time, since many of the Volvo tuners are dead, or have deleted their contribution to cover their tracks. Once again, free car giveaway to ANYONE in the US or Canada, or Mexico, within reason who is willing to compile the half dozen or so tools floating around the net. VW and Audi owners are more than welcome to enter.

I’m here for the giveaway how do I send you my software.

This part doesn't make sense:

Unlike you, I won't ever get a dime from my efforts, and that's ok. Cause I can't take anything with me, and would rather leave a scar on the community than walk away defeated by you!.

Why would you scar the community? Sounds very violent.  And where are you going that you can't use a dime? 

Unfortunately there’s people that would rather watch the world burn. This is why people are guarded and save there stuff.

You help them out. Reach out to them to assist with setting up a logger for there Audi, tune the car for them after there first attempt was approached by setting ldrxn all to 191. Instead of watching for the changes they decide to insult you,  after warning them that there insults weren’t Going to fly, they continue with insults so you block them. Now your a drug addict that scams people and you are slandered here and elsewhere.

I did not.
Neither of those sites are functional or have anything to do with me.
Didn't read further than the links.

Btw, I don't tune anything since 2.5 years, so no point to ask me for tuning either.
Here's my company though:
www.vehical.net (http://www.vehical.net)

There is nothing interesting in this thread that I hadn't already observed 20+ years ago, and why the s4 wiki exists in the first place. I joined nef much later.

I thought I could make a difference. I was wrong.

Note that I am generally the sole contributor to the s4 wiki.

Why is that? Lots of people come here to whine and criticize in one way or another, but not a single one has contributed to it

prj at least released a good amount of code to github, and tony did the same for the flasher.

Where is everyone else?

Looks like a Trump speech )

Some example of productive work

https://github.com/jmarcgit/me7-tools

SparkyR S60RR S60RXtreme BHalme, Nice of you to join us!
While your entry is compelling, I must ask: Why people who paid you money under the table for a tune are being ghosted? Isn't that kinda like.. Stealing? Or a scam?
Do you operate under your father's company "Design Electric Inc"?
Asking for a friend who was scammed. Looking for a refund from a guy who blocked him.  How many people are on your block list?
You don't get to tell me, or anyone else how to talk. That's BULLshit, and I am not havin it.
It's not slander, if its the truth, Mr. "I smoke weed to see the patterns in maps.
Your prices have begun to exceed Hilton Guitar24T! Are you "better"? Who decides..?

Neither of you are tuners with much experience, if any, outside Bosch systems. Your entire history is easily searchable with dates, so is Hilton's and contrasts. You tell me you stole software. Other people say the same. Why can't we base the conversation around the truth and facts?

Hilton has a company. SteveO tunes for 2 other companies.. contrast doesn't live here, and is a pirate. What about you? Kid scammer?

Talking to you was clearly a waste of time, as you don't listen to, or care about anything other than the world in your head. I let you set it up cause claimed to know it all. Let's see it! I have nothing to gain trying to tell you anything. Deaf ears.
Unable to explain your logic, or listen to my requests. "Don't ask any questions" lol wtf..?  Raising redline on a 240K engine is moronic. My tune ended up working fine after tightening a throttle-body I admittedly left loose!

If I want to raise LDRXN to 9000, I should be able to. I rescaled the axis to accommodate the changes I felt necessary. With the Audi, I can make my own calls. I am not required to defer to your cocky inexperience. You withholding software to limit the market and peddle your tunes isn't admirable. Why have you never released it before?  I am sure you wouldn't release any definitions you got from other people. You spent nearly 30 minutes 2D scrolling shit and defined 1... 1 map.. There is no way you made yourself at that pace. You are most definately standing on the shoulders of giants. Take take take, but fail to give back...

If you want the car, you will have to wait. Make a youtube video of the GUI, and source code so others can continue to work on it when you abandon the community. It should work better than Tonys half-baked Audi flasher.
04-07 P2Rs, no Volcano XOR encrypted horse crap, or leaving the CEM without. We all know the CEM must be modified in these cars. An SKC/PIN/Immo/Eeprom page would be great as well.

@Geomeo I have a bunch of health issues in my family and don't see the longest future for myself. Having to hunt for little crumbs of shit to make a functional flasher/logger program wastes my time and my life. It has already been done. Several times by several people. I want to tune my Volvo, share definitions and assembly patches, and allow the thousands of other capable tuners to do the same. I should just "Write my own program".. Ok. Thanks guys.. There is not a set tuning strategy that is best. Every person should have the ability to take a swing at their engine/car. When you watch NHRA, they talk endlessly about the Tune this, and Tune that,. They all tune differently, and theres no reason to believe the select clowns who hoarde the program are Any better than people who are not allowed access! Since when is gate keeping admired?

I need the community to know the truth when tuners are being scammers and producing junk. It's not right. In todays culture, people would rather save face, and talk behind each others back. People are scared of his blind nutswingers, or being ganged up on by a peanut gallery. "Tuners are all perfect"  I'm not about that! I will speak up for the hundred of people to scared to. Because they are worried that little group of Volvo tuners will exile somebody and their build,  and ruin a persons car/dream/hobby. Because of selfish politics. Thats not right. " I got ghosted because I asked my tuner XYZ. Now I am out $1500, the car runs like crap, and don't know who to call"

I bet all these 3-4 clowns text each other and are just talking non-stop about this "One Guy" and how they should all band together and not release the software.
What will you do when somebody else asks for software? Ban them too?
What about the next guy? Fuck him as well? Should we all write 100 bullshit copies of the same software and pass around shit definitions? Apparently thats what you want? ..?


Thing is, It's not one guy.. There are plenty of me, and I can only hope more will speak up!, seeing I am willing to put myself out there and get "Neg rep" (lol) by you people, who - while having more experience, have found no compassion in your heart for the community!

@prj.. Maybe you need a more original Acronym! I don't know what you are contributing to this thread. If you don't read it, and have nothing to contribute but negativity... then what are you getting at? You are angry and smart, maybe it's fuel to be productive. Your post history is more Sassy than mine, and I admire your grumpy participation.
You would do better with a Grumpy Cat avatar

@Fukenbroken. Thank you very much. As Former president of the United states, and modern cult leader, I feel honored!

@Nyet. I have downloaded nearly everything with the term Me7 Tune Vw Audi Volvo Checksum Sa2 and all other linked forked libraries and packing it into one file. I hope nobody else has to waste this much of their life again.

Public code, unencumbered documentation or GTFO

everything else is just words and off topic for this thread. Scammers are dime a dozen; we're not going to solve this here. And we know they will never publish anything of any real use.


hm.

Anyway, you're not winning any allies or convincing anyone of anything here.

May want to reconsider your messaging. Not that myself or prj are any better at it, of course.

Qoute.
If I want to raise LDRXN to 9000, I should be able to.

The problem I seen with your attempt with this was that as I had mentioned to you that the ecm has positive and negative deviation that will force the ecm into limp mode. I’ve found monitoring the load that the turbo is able to produce and replicate this but slightly increased.

Also another  issue is that changes were made without logging. A butt dyno isn’t a great method to test a tune.

The software I use is just a complied version of promoteys flasher /logger with guitar24t checksum added. These are both located in the Volvo me7 forum

As I’ve mentioned many times motronic isn’t something you learn over night as I’m still learning stuff 4 years in. Best advice I can give you is built your self an bench flasher as everyone here has done. Learn the basics first and build on that. Please move on if your going to just slander me if you have beef with me this can be handled personally this isn’t the place. You are just going to make your self look stupid to a room of people that don’t care

This forum is a great tool for when you get stuck tuning your own car.


I’ll happily send you my compiled version of the flasher. This will not get you past all the work. You still have build yourself a xdf file for your specific car, a datalogging parameter for your specific car. This is not easy and it’s not a one size fits all kind of thing like you’re looking for there’s many different software versions that Volvo uses based off can speed, make, model of car, and original. So messages me personally if you want the software. But your work begins from there.

I’ve also purchased winols, tuner pro rt and mega log viewer this may help you out

Why would I message you personally?
Post whatever it is you have to post! Otherwise you are simply using other peoples work, that I already have. Prometey posted his flasher.
I have read every one of his posts. Every post from Guitar24t, and downloaded everything they ever posted.

You are literally using shit the thread is titled about.

Who does it take 4 years for? A well experienced tuner?
You come from nothing, using other peoples work, and sell it as your own.
Why do you get to decide how slow or fast somebody learns? That is absolutely Mental.

Who gives a shit how I look. Call me Stupid. I am not here to practice manners, or blow smoke up your ass.
I don't take other people's money running an illegal scheme.

If you were a community driven individual, you would start work on a repository for these definitions that OTHERS CAN BUILD ON.
When everyone works by themselves, progress is SEVERELY retarded.. 10 posts from you. Most are in here.

This is why civilization works. People work together for the greater good. You are refusing to be part of the community!
And since nobody wants to break the ice, it keeps falling down a deeper hole.

The only reason there is "Work" for me,  is because You, and other people are selfish and unhelpful. Because you are Greedy.

Whats really fucked about the definition file issue..  "secret handshake" bullshit, is that the definitions dont make the tune.
You could give us all your definitions, and your tune "Should" still sell itself. If I am so fucking stupid, and it takes SOOO long to learn. (I have read your horseshit you post on FB), then I shouldnt be able to produce a tune better than yours even with the definitions..
No..?

Do the definitions make the tune? Or your ability to edit them in a productive way.. Which again takes SOOO long to learn according to you... Who must be a very slow learner.

You should be selling your tunes the way you think is best, and I can sell my tunes the way I think is best, and see whos car goes faster.
Instead, you would rather kneecap my ability to edit the car because of how slow of a learner you are, and how long it took you, I should not be able to edit my car in a timely manner.

Sounds bitter and Vengeful and nasty, don't you think?
Why you gate-keeping? Retarding my life. 

When I cant hold the steering wheel steady, or use a mouse in a few years, I will be thanking you for delaying my progress.

I don't understand what you think you are going to accomplish here.

I am expressing myself in the off-topic section.

Proprietary and abandonware software is being used in predatory business and scam tactics.
Dont even get me started on "Stages"..
Many of them came from this website
Biggest example is the Volvo ME7 community

Lack of Collaborative development wastes my life, other people's lives, retards the community, reduces competition and accountability by gatekeeping information, and feeds into the above.

"I'm getting too old for this shit" - Literally.

I am unable to express myself with the Volvo, despite many people having disassembled, passed around, and dealt with all of these bins.
The people with the definitions are sour and refuse to share them. I believe I can tune my vehicles better than Anyone available to rip me off.

That pisses me off, I think its fucked up and should not be condoned.

Sell the tune,
Share the defs - They should all be community projects.

I'm one of the last that actually tolerates quite a bit of different sorts of behavior.

Not a fan of censorship of any kind.

And ideologically, we actually agree anyway. Just not sure where this can go.

Long Time forum lurker here.
never made an account until this one intrigued me....

you all see an angry man behind a keyboard typing as fast as they can.

but I see someone that has passion for the community that hasn't been seen in a while and just aggravating with this said "gatekeeping"
yes the tools are out there, very scattered at that.
but we need to come together and put all the brain power together.
I hate this "if you don't know how to find them then you don't deserve to know" bs

hell who knows...
maybe this Vollmer guy is an idiot and wouldn't be able to code a basic tune in 10 years or he could do it in 6 months.


this shits been so aggravating for me as well....
I've heard amazing things about all these tuners and heard equally bad.
we need a more community driven system here...
IDK...
other tuning communities aren't this bad.
dafuq are we... apple n their walled garden? lol

IDK make YouTube videos with different steps etc.unlist them cause God almighty Rob Hilton might copyright you on his illegal emissions bypassing software (rofl)
idk
food for thought
ik tuning is lucrative
but growing the network might help you more than you think
most won't have the will to monetize it
so just lettuce have it


sincerely
your average lurker

Who does it take 4 years for?

it takes time to learn the basics of the tools such as winols, ida and tunerpro. 
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If you were a community driven individual, you would start work on a repository for these definitions that OTHERS CAN BUILD ON.

I don't have software to assist in the definitions as i still do this by hand meaning i use 2d and spending the 4-5 hours matching shapes just like i had spent the hour via TeamViewer while on the phone with you showing you some tips I had learned over the years. the only thing I didn't show you is via TeamViewer is tips in Ida pro. Andy Whittaker has some good tutorials on how to do this step and this is what I use when stuck. This stuff isn't secret as what you need is out there you just have to spend a little leg work on the stuff that works for you.

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Do the definitions make the tune? Or your ability to edit them in a productive way.. Which again takes SOOO long to learn according to you... Who must be a very slow learner.

attached is one of my 04 map packs i use to get by this one is for a P24/P26 b5254t4 25Rt Man AWD US 50QKHJ.A2L this may or may not help much as I've seen 10 different 04 manual file versions used in the states


as nyte has mentioned this isn't the place for this. Please use the Volvo me7 forum for further questions regarding Volvo related stuff. ill do my best to help with assisting there with further questions or concerns you may have. Please keep your emotions out of the responses. This is the reasoning you are blocked in the first place, i warned you 3 times with your response being just block me.


The slandering of ones name isn't the solution to your problems or wont get you anywhere here.  So again i please ask you to keep your emotions together and lets continue your venture into me7 a positive one.

I’ll gladly send you my software if you message me

Are you against
"Right to Repair"?

You are like the "certified" repair facility that is totally bunk. Hiding the little tools and schematics so I can't repair it at home in a timely manner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd3Qa9tlA3o


Because you took "4" years?
You didn't do much with cars or computers until 4 years ago.  And still mostly work on Bosch. I wouldn't take 4 years if it wasn't for ball busting.
I am not you. Nobody else is you. People live different lives that are not yours. They don't see things like you, they dont think like you.

I am not contributing to a 100+ page thread of shit. It needs organized or its own sub-forum.

If that's really how you find maps, you need to outsource your disassembly work, and that might reduce your man hours and bring your prices down. And simply proves my point that community efforts would speed up EVERYONE, even you. Sell your tune. Not the Definitions.  Off topic section is totally where this kind of crap belongs. I am glad someone relevant to the issue showed up.


Wiki Table

X Axis across the top = Model/A2L
Y Axis  Down the side = FR Term or Axis (ABCDEF)

Each cell with its address. Post what you find. Fill it up. Let anyone add to it.

One sheet can contain every address for every table. 


Again, Why do you need him to PM you?

"Community"

Just post it!!
Make a Github like everyone else.
There is already a compiled version posted by prometey here...

Cmd line only.

4 years comes from the amount of time I've worked with me7 not the amount of time I had to figure it out how to flash and log. this only took a few weeks.

when i first started viewing this forum i had spent countless sleepless nights out on the road with my car going absolutely nuts, defining a few maps, changing the map and and logging trying to  and logging trying to build connections between each change. this wasn't easy since I don't have my emulator up and running yet to this day. currently working on one using a moates roadrunner guts kit but have yet to test it. i believe PRJ had built one using this years back. also believe nyet had built his using a ols300.

the hardest thing i had to learn is each thread is just a bunch of words that mean nothing unless you have either worked through the problem or are experiencing the problem first had

i had tried to outsource things with you but you had never gotten past the feeling the person out with there character stage to see if i can trust the individual. also I've had someone in the past but things are very hard to not dilute yourself. there's a certain level of connection one builds with there certain maps that having change is to difficult to navigate. for reference my 04 map packs have a ton of duplicated maps and is a lot less defined than the one i had built for my 05 I've been meaning to rebuild it but haven't found the dyer need to

the problem i see with building a table like you mention is that i would have 25 different tables, there would be absolutely hundred of columns to it, and you wouldn't get past the fact of having to transfer back into back into either winols or tunerpro. so i don't think it would do any benefit. i had been reading on building a script in winols for this solution but i haven't gotten to deep into this route.

 if you would like my flasher and logger you can pm me as this isnt the place and there is logistic involved in this such as a license file ill need to create for you that ill make for your personal car. you've already have basic maps to get you started sent previously by me. if you dont want to take this offer you are welcome to buy hiltons self tuner for $250. Ive happily gave this software to many people who have asked me for it.

thank you
and just to clarify I already have a stage 2+ Hilton tune thats about 2 years old and it's Solid
I'm just a curious cat with some time on their hands.

just kills me that all my local Audi and VW buddies can hop on and start fucking with shit without jumping through this many loops...
we'll see what I can do

What gives you the right to sell licensed software? Locked to a specific VIN is even MORE bullshit.

I ask again, do you have a business license? 

Free. Community. Not licensed locked down shit. Nefmoto flashing app works for everything just fine.
"Sleepless nights" oooo boohoo. "Connection with personal car" Here comes Lord of the Rings part 4.

You type such a tremendous amount of bullshit rather than just helping. Better not share anything you learned!
Best to fuck everyone else over and make a buck out of it. I have access to 6 of these cars right now. I don't need your licensed crap.


Maybe! "Vollmer" speaks German. I can read this fine. Again you fail to consider anyone outside your sleepless self, who still cant get a emulator working 4 years later.
"Meaning nothing to you", means nothing to you. Thats it.
I have been using Moates emulators for over 10 years.
But everything you do is a licensed secret! Why would anyone wanna help you? That will be $1500 for my services. *waves hands*

Why do you need to trust an individual?
Quit making shit private and locked.
What a Loser thing to do.

Shove that license file Up your Ass. Release the software to the world and take this car if you must.
Start sharing definitions and quit keeping disassembly private.
Go look at a healthy community for an example. RomRaider.

What will the world do if you croak? Fail?, because you were selfish? What a stupid thing to do.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This video came out 1 day ago (After my post) and has 4 million views. #2 on trending.
Basically mirrors my initial post in this thread.
Speaks about reverse engineering, loss of information, advancement of group effort, ALTRUISM, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W93XyXHI8Nw

When viewed in the perspective of a real, red-blooded tuner,

You're a Bad Man, and need to quit being a Gatekeeper and start allowing for REAL competition, and recording this information so it's not lost with you, or whoever's baby mama left them.
Open yourself up to competitive partnership and make a better tune.
You are making the world a worse place than it could be.

I don't understand all these screams from the Vollmer. I published console tools for Volvo ME7 with opened sources. Why Vollumer need GUI tools? If you want to learn Volvo ME7 tuning it should be enough to do it.

I believe he thinks there’s an interface that plugs in to obd2 and you can tune using this. Sort of like hondata or any stand alone ecm will have. Which is not the case for me I still use winols for everything. Not sure if you have built yourself an interface.

Prometey. You published stolen "forked" abandonware made by Dream3r (dead) and Guitar24T hilton. Slightly modified.

And in your 80+ page post history, you state your finished tools are private, and you posted these available files for customers to read flash and datalog. It absolutely has to do with money.
That's ALL you care about. Wouldnt dare release your proprietary software. Look at the scammer kid above, who is trying to sell vin locked software he surely stole from another person!!
He can't even be bothered to read your post history! I DID!!

@SparkyR Bhalme S60RR S60RXtreme scammer kid
Any standalone ECM/U is trash compared to the Bosch ECU.
If you really think a standalone is in ANYWAY comparable, you are dumber than I thought. Anyone who has experience in both, and is actually educated in automotive electrical engineering would agree. Not your idiot friend Maxxecu peddler Brett, and your little circle jerk FB group. You are not educated, and constantly make miserable judgement calls and assumptions time and time again. You press your inadequacies on others and drag the entire community down. Your reputation IS shit, they just don't have the care to tell you in public. Shit tunes, Shit service, Scammer, Shit logic. Nothing you do is worth a dime. You admit to not reading books, looking at other forms of motorsport, or even tuning outside this ecosystem. It is like you don't appreciate facts that you don't "Want" to hear.

https://youtu.be/v45YXqmGI-o
Here is a well regarded egg-head that you are likely too arrogant or "busy" to listen to. Hence your ability to not learn or grow. Which again, re-affirms my points.
Aftermarket ECUs are in NO WAY comparable. You are wrong. End of story.
Go read a Bosch technical book on engine management systems or their Bosch bible. I can tell you do NOT READ, based on your outputs

No shit you need WINOLS for most things, (What a dumbass thing to say) but what good is that without definitions?! And there IS real time emulators available, OLS300, or Moates Roadrunner, but it is absolutely worthless with the definitions you BOTH HOARDE. Those emulators work mostly the same as On Board Emulators such as Hondata or Neptune/Chrome etc. Maybe people would be using on board emulators, or TunerPro if you RELEASED SOME DEFINITIONS.
Should I pull up some decade old quotes from Dream3R DDillinger, and 24t to prove my point?
 Odds are you haven't even read them.


What is the Benefit of this Selfishness? Self destruct your own community and become a living piece of shit in order to make a few bucks and distribute some tune you made while high as fuck? Brag about your XC90 nobody cares about because you HAVE NO FRIENDS because you alienate people rather than working together. You are fucking over the community, tragically.

Воллмер, ты идиот. Вместо того, чтобы принять участие в совместной разработке, ты обвиняешь всех вокруг, что они тебе не помогают. А они и не должны тебе помогать. Ты случаем не из зеленых? Или кто у вас там самые тупые? У нас либералы, вот ты очень на них похож.

Pretty sure you are Vollmer.  Can't think why anyone would write a "wall of text" with similar grammar to stick up for another guy unless that person is the same guy.  John 8:32 is about all I know of the Bible.....

I've never read the Bible and never will so idk.
and that's a fair claim.

I'm a rather low key person and am trying to get into some self tuning out of curiosity.
I got my hands on winols and was trying to find some definitions.
my search for months found nothing and I've seen replies to people asking and it went no where.

because of Vollmer I finally got sent some definitions

I don't care for his run on rants but growing up in the internet troll era it honestly didn't faze me and I saw through it.
think of this what you will tho.

He's passionate and angry at the state of the tuning industry (and community). He's not wrong.

Like prj, his messaging just does himself a disservice.

Well that just says to me definition file has been withheld from the community.  For Months....And why have you not learned how to make your own definition file anyway?  Waiting around for someone to hand you something on a silver platter doesn't always work. 

Well yeah there are people who could give back instead of take take take etc, but I don't think posting on here is going to do much good though not the way he coming across.  Maybe he should present his evidence on YouTube or something.  In a calm rational.   There's a guy that does glitter bomb work on people who steal packages and scam old ladies.  It might be an idea to follow that lead sort of thing. He's got like 60 million views.  He presented his evidence, engineered his own camera package device told people what to expect and here's how to avoid etc etc. 

After you read some of prj's post you realize he always means well.  I mean yeah nobody likes being told they're completely wrong or that they f'd it up.  With no other solution than "pay a real tuner who can tune".  Buuuut it sound like he trying to stop an engine from exploding and stopping people from wasting their money, so I don't think that's a bad thing.  Can't tell if he ever angry either.  Hard to tell with text.

sorry, running through assembly code Is not quite my thing.
I'm still gathering info and learning.

On yonder hill there stood a coo.  It must've moved coz it's no there noo.  Is about all I'm going to say on that.....

derp

What is the part # of your ECU...?

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=340.msg156483#msg156483

Why do Pirates do what they do? It is always only a handful of individuals, and the silent crowd eats up the pirated work. 1:10,000 easily.
Where were all the Angry people before I showed up?! Sure seeing a lot of downloads and activity.

Razor1911 used to be some cracked EXE  I seen everywhere in the early 2000s.
Also lotta russia cracking groups. Why? They dont make MONEY from cracked EXEs like Prometey makes money tuning.

They did it because they are Dirt poor and want to play, and share that experience with other people, often times making cracked multiplayer servers full of that would otherwise be smoking crack or robbing corner stores. By adding things to the world others can utilize to make the world a better place, your life becomes inherently better as a whole, despite passing up the trivial amount of "money" that only benefits you. Prometey literally whines on the forum about not having friends or community... while despite witholding tools and definitons people need to Become PART of the Community...

Why is Adobe Photoshop the most pirated software ever?
Wheres the latest cracked version of WINOLS 5? Srsly

Entirely relevant video. ..
Linus Tech Tips... 1.7m views in 2 days.
"I have to PIRATE Color?!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMWAY8Cdsz0

Why are software weebs so eager to bend over and take it up the ass? "Take my money"
It's almost as if people are upset that Hilton and other Scammers have less leverage over them?
You like bondage? I prefer Rough play!

"You'll own Nothing and be Happy!" - Louis Rossmann - Right to Repair Advocate

Wait until you got a air subscription service. Or a Water subscription service.. Oh wait... We already do!
Do I sound like a Native American? Or a communist? Lets hear the BS.. 

What about TV and movies? People used to buy them. And own them. Stacks of DVDS or VHS cabinets
How many physical copies of New movies exist..? Many at all?
If the government wanted to censor movies now, it would be a lot easier - as there is NO physical copies.
Kinda like if the EPA went after Hilton, there would be no outlet for Tuning Volvos? Pretty short-sighted by EVERYONE - except me.


I bet there are more physical copies of Elvis, than Justin Beiber.  Beiber would be easier to censor. 
People are losing control to entities that not accountable to anyone.

You are Strangled with Ads if you dont pay the subscription model.
You cant read the news without a subscription model.  Paywall

Requiring money via payment intervals for information access causes severe retardation of a population.
College admissions in USA are Gate-kept by money and indentured servitude (non-dischargeable debt) = stupid people = dependent workforce..

Reformulated for Tuning

Gatekeeping information = stupid people = reliable income(Scams) = NO PROGRESS.

I dont care if you're a painter, a musician, the "BEST Tun3r EvaR" - eventually you will run out of new ideas and everything will resemble previous works. "Progressive" rock is really only progressive at its beginning.
Are you scared of competition and new ideas? Genuinely seems so.

Allow information access to people so they can educate themselves, so they are not scammed. Like S60rawr was about to be before I told him to figure it out.

"Control the Resources, Control the Population"

Attached is a picture I took of a disgusting development while flying my plane around last weekend.
Then a HUGE expanse of land that nobody can use.

Look how many Zillions of dollars you can make by choking people into a tiny space. Developed by local Lords.

1. The peasants will never have enough money to buy property or develop it m-f 9-5 to keep their ears above water - happy because they have no other option. Now it's too nice, and they have too much to lose rebelling.
2. Land is owned by "Old Money"  family's that "claimed" it" -  -  Surrounding area is "Not for sale" Trillionaire families own it. They dont want your dirty *Hourly* money.



Only for the "Masters" to renege, Or SparkyR bhlame blocking you after he cant troubleshoot your car from the other side of the country despite being paid 4 figures..  as Pantone did.
CS2 users still have Pantone for NOT upgrading. The same way S60Rawr can tune his own car, rather than having to deal with socially incompetent morons.

Linus raises SO MANY valid points that directly support my position on all this. 

Him and Louis must be crazy for having arguments that agree with mine..?



People NEED Physical copies that are distributed. Obsolete is better than no longer existing.
Pirates are motivated by poverty and empathy.
Ideas may not ever come around again.
Watch the latest video on FFT by vertasium.. It was discovered 100 years prior but not shared.
If not for the physical record, we might not even be here.

Scientists have become increasingly disturbed by the lack of "life" observed in our universe. With the JWST, various detectors and arrays all WORKING TOGETHER.... Can't find a spec of anything.
Currently, the most popular hypothesis is that life self-destructs before it makes it off the planet..
Automotive tuning for an excellent example of community dysfunction.

We would be cutting off legs with ax and chainsaws if the medical industry functioned like this....

Forgot to add the Sheeple community.

I'll throw in a few extras for your enjoyment.

Wow you sure do like your walls of text.  Resentment is like drinking poison and waiting for the other person to die.  Someone said....

Strippers have been selling the kind of thing you're talking about for years.  It hasn't seemed to affect life as we know it. For example they'll wave their little booty in front of you, tell you everything you want to hear.  Take your cash and all you'll have at the end of the night is a distant memory of what was never meant to be....No titties either, to put on the night stand.  Not even toenail clipping..NOTHING!

It is probably best that we don't manufacture things anymore and put the materials to better use when the need arrives. The materials used to make these products VHS, cd etc all have pollutants anyway.  And do we really want Beabos head laying around everywhere in every home you go into? 

The amount of effort you have put in to trying to take others down you could have easily become very successful at something.  So turn off the TV and go build your own photoshop.  And give it away... Or build a new Volvo.  How about a Volvo passenger drone?  Here's a slogan for you "Take flight and don't give a shite"  Either way you really do need to stop drinking the poison....

He's not saying anything RMS wasn't already saying 50 years ago.

Or ESR (two decades ago) - http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/


And the other (real) Linus (an actual developer) predates this, also by 20 years.

It's super sad that neither vollmer's detractors *nor vollmer himself* are apparently aware of the decades of history of this.

Or centuries

Is any of this familiar to anyone? It certainly doesn't seem so. Pretty pathetic. In that regard, I share vollmer's fury and frustration. So many clueless fucks.

"Kinda like if the EPA went after Hilton, there would be no outlet for Tuning Volvos? Pretty short-sighted by EVERYONE - except me."

I already asked this once.. but can someone explain with proper reason


What the fk is so important that Hilton does or did, that would mean the end of 20 year old volvo tuning SPECIALLY on a DIY forum and its participants?

You are not special, his tool is not special(AFAIK),Volvo's arent special when a simple 25$ clone china tool has support for reading and writing it then from there its just like any other ECU that you tune in your favorite program. IF not there is still BDM or anything else just like any other ECU out there.
The goddamn dice cable is 125$ from him alone.

This part is nothing new from what I've seen, the only issue that I might have caught is probably logging of said ecu's.

I'd like to know what the answer to this question is too.  Seems like this option is being ignored so more drama can be created....