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Technical => Tuning => Topic started by: Fawor on March 14, 2018, 01:01:46 PM



Title: MAFless ME7.5 BAM
Post by: Fawor on March 14, 2018, 01:01:46 PM
Hi there,
I would to run my BAM with 064 in MAFless setup but according to this topic, such settings don't work properly.

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=12708.0

With CLALM set 1 I have blinking checkengine.
With CLALM set 0 no check but also no TCS.

Everything else done like in tutorial above.

What I do wrong?


Title: Re: MAFless ME7.5 BAM
Post by: teobolo on March 14, 2018, 01:55:06 PM
This solution is not working to all Me7.5


Title: Re: MAFless ME7.5 BAM
Post by: Fawor on March 14, 2018, 02:13:21 PM
So anyone could help me with my map? Or give the adresses and proper sets to have working TCS in such soft?


Title: Re: MAFless ME7.5 BAM
Post by: Fawor on March 14, 2018, 02:29:35 PM
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Title: Re: MAFless ME7.5 BAM
Post by: nubcake on March 14, 2018, 04:14:33 PM
What I do wrong?

Run alpha-N emergency load calculation in place of a main one.

If you want proper ECU functioning - pay someone to do a speed-density patch for you.


Title: Re: MAFless ME7.5 BAM
Post by: jjuuaannk on March 14, 2018, 07:36:17 PM
So anyone could help me with my map? Or give the adresses and proper sets to have working TCS in such soft?

Hello, I was reviewing your file and found it interesting
What configuration do you use other than k04-064? injectors?

How does your cupraR move with that configuration?


Title: Re: MAFless ME7.5 BAM
Post by: adam- on March 15, 2018, 12:44:35 AM
Why?  Run an inlet like on the TFSI and use a MAF.  The 064 inlet is on top, literally a 90* bend and put a MAF on it.  Loads of space.


Title: Re: MAFless ME7.5 BAM
Post by: Fawor on March 15, 2018, 01:12:49 AM
Run alpha-N emergency load calculation in place of a main one.

If you want proper ECU functioning - pay someone to do a speed-density patch for you.

I would to do this alone - this is why I'm asking here :) Any tutorials how to do it right?


Adam-: Space is not a problem here. Probably with my bad luck - second MAF has screwed up. First one has readed 260gram, second for a while was good (210-220gram) but went to 185....with every bad results different then 21x gram I feel that car is more lazy and doesn't pull so strong (dynoed 337PS/405Nm with proper MAF). I want to tune it without MAF interference to have one stable setup without thinking "interesting does my MAF is now ok or not" :D


jjuuaannk - car with goodworking MAF is for me an ultimate streetcar :) Runs really well and 'wakes up' earlier then with 023.


Title: Re: MAFless ME7.5 BAM
Post by: adam- on March 15, 2018, 01:14:42 AM
Vibration? I've got an 064 and only killed 1 in three years because it fell off.  No issues.


Title: Re: MAFless ME7.5 BAM
Post by: Fawor on March 15, 2018, 04:23:10 AM
Any ideas...this one which was showing 260gram was from my old 023 setup and probably already in 023 wasn't working perfectly. Second one from Bosch-exchange was living 2 weeks..maybe an incident. But I would like to not have any such incidents more ;) All welding and install solutions are made analog few other setups from this tuner so I don't think so that this is a case why MAFs are dead.

So: anyone could help me? :)


Title: Re: MAFless ME7.5 BAM
Post by: nubcake on March 15, 2018, 04:32:39 AM
Speed-density conversion is quite involved and requires assembly patches to the ECU code.
If any of those words sounds unfamiliar to you - you won't be able to do it yourself, unfortunately.

A healthy alternative is fitting another proper MAF (not a Chinese knock-off, but a new original) and properly calibrating it.

Again, just making the ecu run Alpha-N will accomplish nothing, unless it's a "WOT-only" dragster. Part-throttle load calculation will be very wonky.


Title: Re: MAFless ME7.5 BAM
Post by: nyet on March 18, 2018, 07:00:49 PM
I want to tune it without MAF interference to have one stable setup without thinking "interesting does my MAF is now ok or not"

I have no idea why you think alpha-n is better than making sure you have a working MAF.



Title: Re: MAFless ME7.5 BAM
Post by: mister t on March 18, 2018, 07:43:05 PM
I have no idea why you think alpha-n is better than making sure you have a working MAF.



Agreed, from what I know, the only reason to be running a speed density setup is if you have a massive HP car (i.e. over 600 HP).

Why have you eliminated the MAF?


Title: Re: MAFless ME7.5 BAM
Post by: nyet on March 18, 2018, 09:34:07 PM
Agreed, from what I know, the only reason to be running a speed density setup is if you have a massive HP car (i.e. over 600 HP).

Why have you eliminated the MAF?

I don't really have a problem with speed density, but that is impossible to do on ME7 without a ton of work.

Problem is, noobs seem to consistently confuse alpha-n with speed density :/


Title: Re: MAFless ME7.5 BAM
Post by: prj on March 28, 2018, 12:58:23 PM
It's not a ton of work once you've written the code and tested it. Well yes, it's a ton of work until then.
You need to modify main load calc, and also you need stuff like a digital filter on the MAP signal to prevent your load becoming a sawtooth and ESUK going bonkers.


Title: Re: MAFless ME7.5 BAM
Post by: woj on March 28, 2018, 01:54:11 PM
My 5 cents - ME7.9.10 is speed density by design (as most gasoline Fiat family ECUs), probably a good source for working and tested code.


Title: Re: MAFless ME7.5 BAM
Post by: prj on March 28, 2018, 02:02:17 PM
My 5 cents - ME7.9.10 is speed density by design (as most gasoline Fiat family ECUs), probably a good source for working and tested code.

It's not. Because too many things are different.


Title: Re: MAFless ME7.5 BAM
Post by: nubcake on March 28, 2018, 03:36:17 PM
It can be done by replicating 7.9.10 setup, but it's like 5 times more work.
Way easier is to interpret how it works and mod the code accordingly.