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Technical => Tuning => Topic started by: golfputtputt on August 12, 2020, 05:30:38 PM



Title: 17744/P1336 - IRL/IOP or slipping clutch?
Post by: golfputtputt on August 12, 2020, 05:30:38 PM
I'm getting a 17744/P1336 code. Unsure if IRL/IOP is the cause or the symptom.

From the log, according to the S4 wiki, mrfa exceeds mimax at almost all times which makes no sense. That would mean the car is always exceeding the torque limit.

From the log, according to the S4 wiki, mibas does not exceed miszul (although mibas doesn't make sense to me as it's constantly pogo'ing 0-100, can someone explain this?)

Looking to make sense of torque monitoring.


Revs seem to skyrocket at 2750 when WOT, consistently in the same place in multiple logs (feels like the torque/power drops off but revs and boost still climb rapidly) Very akin to a feeling of a slipping clutch. I come to a stop immediately, sniff the engine bay, no clutch smell which makes me think tuning.
Occurs at red circle when rpms change rate.

Recently, I redid my fuel system, checked for boost leaks by pressurizing the system, found a few around the boost pressure pipe, fixed them. Redid all my valve seals, passed a leak down test, put the car back together and it started doing this.

anyone have any ideas or can someone help with translating the data in the log to the information on the wiki?




Title: Re: 17744/P1336 - IRL/IOP or slipping clutch?
Post by: nyet on August 12, 2020, 09:43:52 PM
your mimax is definitely not right. It's near zero everywhere.

it should be the result of nmot,rlmax->IOP

FMIVL is 1.0 btw.

You have a bad IOP map def and zeros somewhere in it. Or maybe the wrong ram location for mimax


Title: Re: 17744/P1336 - IRL/IOP or slipping clutch?
Post by: golfputtputt on August 13, 2020, 06:12:21 AM
Code:
mimax_w		, {TorqueLimit}			    , 0x38293E,  2,  0x0000, {%}       , 0, 0,   0.00152588,      0, {maximum attainable indicated torque}

Is what I have for ram on mimax on a 06A906032HS. I dont have IDF pro working or skills in disassembly yet (working on it). Could someone confirm this for me?

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KFMIRL - Cupra R exact values (no tweaks)
KFMIRL % axis - Cupra R exact values (no tweaks)
KFMIRL RPM axis - Cupra R exact values (no tweaks)
KFMIOP - Cupra R exact values (no tweaks)
KFMIOP % axis - Cupra R exact values (no tweaks)
KFMIOP RPM axis - Cupra R exact values (no tweaks)

Is what I've done to IRL/IOP. Values are from a Seat Cupra R bam - 8N0906018h.bin I have. The map does have 0's but only in the 0 row. It's easy to reset to stock, I'll see if that fixes it.


Title: Re: 17744/P1336 - IRL/IOP or slipping clutch?
Post by: golfputtputt on August 13, 2020, 07:10:25 AM
Putting irl-iop and all 4 axes back to HS bin values did not solve the issue.

Making me think hardware. Going to swap n75’s


Title: Re: 17744/P1336 - IRL/IOP or slipping clutch?
Post by: nyet on August 13, 2020, 08:46:24 AM
Putting irl-iop and all 4 axes back to HS bin values did not solve the issue.

Making me think hardware. Going to swap n75’s

Unless there is another source of intervention in that ECU that isn't in the ME7.1 FR.

You may want to dig around in other FRs



Title: Re: 17744/P1336 - IRL/IOP or slipping clutch?
Post by: golfputtputt on August 13, 2020, 01:45:46 PM
Swapped DV, N75, MAF, tightened couplers and bolts that could leak, checked coolant and intake air temps in log.

So far no luck. Gonna look into the ME7.5 FR and seek some local advice.

Not 100% ruling out clutch but it only does it on boost, revving to any rpm under 3psi is symptom free.


Title: Re: 17744/P1336 - IRL/IOP or slipping clutch?
Post by: nyet on August 13, 2020, 02:01:51 PM
Swapped DV, N75, MAF, tightened couplers and bolts that could leak, checked coolant and intake air temps in log.

So far no luck. Gonna look into the ME7.5 FR and seek some local advice.

Not 100% ruling out clutch but it only does it on boost, revving to any rpm under 3psi is symptom free.

mimax = 0 is definitely not a HW problem.


Title: Re: 17744/P1336 - IRL/IOP or slipping clutch?
Post by: golfputtputt on August 13, 2020, 02:42:38 PM
mimax = 0 is definitely not a HW problem.

Fair.
First step is to confirm ram address of mimax


Title: Re: 17744/P1336 - IRL/IOP or slipping clutch?
Post by: justinvw2646 on August 13, 2020, 07:37:57 PM
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=17851.15

Halfway down the 2nd page of the thread I posted the .ecu file I have been using for my HS tune if that helps you.


Title: Re: 17744/P1336 - IRL/IOP or slipping clutch?
Post by: BlackT on August 13, 2020, 11:30:14 PM
Yust log all loads rlsol,rlmax... , and misol and misopl1. Of course MAF,RPM,FUEL and other basic stuff. Post log here in csv format


Title: Re: 17744/P1336 - IRL/IOP or slipping clutch?
Post by: nyet on August 13, 2020, 11:36:58 PM
Yust log all loads rlsol,rlmax... , and misol and misopl1. Of course MAF,RPM,FUEL and other basic stuff. Post log here in csv format

He's got it all in the logs, but mimax looks wonky


Title: Re: 17744/P1336 - IRL/IOP or slipping clutch?
Post by: BlackT on August 14, 2020, 04:17:42 AM
You kidding me???
This is slipping clutch or right tyre is slipping


Title: Re: 17744/P1336 - IRL/IOP or slipping clutch?
Post by: golfputtputt on August 14, 2020, 04:57:42 AM
You kidding me???
This is slipping clutch or right tyre is slipping

Might be. I’ll have to keep an eye on it.

I find it odd on two fronts.
1: it doesn't smell like burnt clutch. I repeated the symptoms 12 times, stopped the vehicle, smelled the engine bay, no clutch smell.
2: its completely boost dependent, i have complete access to the engine rev range symptom free as long as i stay under 3 psi.

Unlikely tires, this is low power range areas im dealing with.
Also, 425 ft/lb clutch (still on the potential list) on 255 tires.


Title: Re: 17744/P1336 - IRL/IOP or slipping clutch?
Post by: golfputtputt on August 14, 2020, 05:38:49 AM
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=17851.15

Halfway down the 2nd page of the thread I posted the .ecu file I have been using for my HS tune if that helps you.

That ecu file doesn't have mimax or mibas. Do you have an updated file by chance justinvw2646?


Title: Re: 17744/P1336 - IRL/IOP or slipping clutch?
Post by: nyet on August 14, 2020, 08:16:24 AM
Might be. I’ll have to keep an eye on it.
Unless your vehicle speed sensor is broken it absolutely is a slipping clutch

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Unlikely tires, this is low power range areas im dealing with.

Please look at the graph again. Give it some serious thought. Then post :P


Title: Re: 17744/P1336 - IRL/IOP or slipping clutch?
Post by: justinvw2646 on August 14, 2020, 06:38:00 PM
No I do not, sorry it was no help. I was on my phone when I posted the link so I couldn’t open the file to look first.


Title: Re: 17744/P1336 - IRL/IOP or slipping clutch?
Post by: golfputtputt on September 10, 2020, 02:35:20 PM
A slipping clutch was indeed the issue for those who may find this thread useful.

Now i’m dealing with massive boost over and undershoot at setpoint now that the car can actually reach desired boost. Embarking on LDR feed forward.