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Title: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 10, 2021, 02:13:51 PM
Hello guys ...

After i tried to load a map from an auq bin file ,my car startet running rough after that it completely died. I just wanted to try to flash this bin data but i i didnt thought that it "worked".

Now im standing in nowhere and my car wont start because of this. Its just orgling. The starter spins and it wont fire.

Do somebody of you have tips. That was an dump action from me.

Please help me !


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: stuydub on March 10, 2021, 03:04:22 PM
Flash the ori map back on if u can


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 10, 2021, 06:32:37 PM
Where can i get the original aum bin file ?


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: _nameless on March 10, 2021, 08:40:11 PM
Where can i get the original aum bin file ?
the ecu is bricked. youll need to remove the ecu and open it to flash it


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 10, 2021, 11:30:29 PM
Oh man...

Does an step by step tutorial exist in this forum where i can get explained?

I can remove the ECU by myself but then to open and flash it sounds impossible for me..

I would try to do it like you said but can i also buy a "new" one from the local scrapeyard?

LG


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: fknbrkn on March 10, 2021, 11:39:06 PM
Is it possible to connect via vcds?


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 10, 2021, 11:51:10 PM
I always readed and deleted issues via vcds . So i think its possible ..

Why do you have tips for me?


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Sandstorm3k on March 11, 2021, 12:33:51 AM
http://www.nefariousmotorsports.com/wiki/index.php/ECU_Boot_Mode

If it's bricked it should be recoverable, you need to short pin 24 (usually takes me a few attempts) and then you should be able to flash it.

Also, if you're trying to raise AUM from 150 to 180 there are plenty of topics on it on the FR. Instead of bricking your ECU and flashing the wrong file edit your file and copy over just these 4 maps from the AUQ to the AUM. Also i'd recommend reading through the stage 1 community threads.

KFFDLBTS
KFLBTS
LDRXN
LDRXNZK



Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 11, 2021, 12:53:37 AM
So i need to buy at first this cable and the software?

If i need to buy it would rather buy an ecu from the scrapeyard because i need my car as fast possible..


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 11, 2021, 12:58:06 AM
I also have an hex can v2 cable can i do it with this too?

I would then take my battery as the power supply and constantly charge it


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Sandstorm3k on March 11, 2021, 01:04:03 AM
No you don't need this software, i just made an example of what i use.

How did you flash it the first time? Using this cable & the nefmoto flashing software you should be able to recover it aswell using the bootmode method.


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 11, 2021, 01:09:08 AM
Yes of course.

I used the Hex v2 cable and the nefmoto software i downloaded yesterday.

I can also boot the ecu in nefmoto ?

And do i need something to download?

I saw in an youtubr video how the guy had an pogram on windows xp where he could select different types of datas to boot on i think. Called " Generic Bosch XXX.... XXX" and so on.

Do i have this datas in nefmoto or do i need to download them anywhere on my own specific ecu?

Thanks for help mate so far


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: BlackT on March 11, 2021, 01:09:53 AM
Discconect the battery for 10 minutes.
-Plug battery back
-turn the inginition ON
-Flash stock ori map
-Turn ignition OFF
-Turn ignition ON
-Start car
BDW: if both files are 1Mb, crosh flash schould work without problems. Traverse engines most off them are croshflasheble


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 11, 2021, 01:13:36 AM
Can i use any ori map for my ecu. It just hast to have the engine code "aum"?

I would send a video in here that you could please check it if im doing it right..


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Sandstorm3k on March 11, 2021, 01:20:20 AM
Can i use any ori map for my ecu. It just hast to have the engine code "aum"?

I would send a video in here that you could please check it if im doing it right..
Normally they don't really like handing out stuff like this on the fr, but here you go anyway. As the info really is already on the forums just search for it and you'll find it.

032DR = Stock AUM file (150)
032DE = Stock AUQ file (180)

032DR XDF is usable for both the DE and DR files.


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 11, 2021, 01:23:25 AM
Normally they don't really like handing out stuff like this on the fr, but here you go anyway.

032DR = Stock AUM file (150)
032DE = Stock AUQ file (180)

032DR XDF is usable for both the DE and DR files.

Thats very nice of you like for real..

I really need my car and hope that i can do it with these files and datas . Because like i said.. im an newbie who did an dumb mistake but i try my best !

If i cant do it .. should i pn you ?

Lg


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Sandstorm3k on March 11, 2021, 01:33:38 AM
I'd try what BlackT mentioned. If it doesn't work bootmode/benchflash it. It's not that complicated.

Personally when i started messing around with flashing the first time i made sure i had a spare ECU in case i messed up because i also need my car. Just a tip :)


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 11, 2021, 02:38:05 AM
so i tried to do it but nefmotor doesnt want to find an fitting device for my ecu.

i tried many times to refresh it and loading it again and put a cross in vcds on the bottom right field.

But Nefmotor doesnt want to get the device.

I readed the page in the fr but his tips why my device cant get found are not useful in my case.

idk why but yesterday where i tried to "flash" and everything worked fine, nefmotor couldnt find an device either. It could be the reason that i yesterday when everything was ok, i did not turn the dump mode on with my hex v2 cable ...

Any Tips how nefmotor can find the right device ? Or does this mean that i need to boot ?

Im in KWP2000 and in the boot mode it shows the device neither. Will it show the device after i ground the 24. pin of the chip and hold it there 3 for seconds normally?

and sorry for the question but grounding this pin means that i hold an metal piece to the pin that connects to the chassy of my car right?


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: stuydub on March 11, 2021, 02:39:25 AM
Normally they don't really like handing out stuff like this on the fr, but here you go anyway. As the info really is already on the forums just search for it and you'll find it.

032DR = Stock AUM file (150)
032DE = Stock AUQ file (180)

032DR XDF is usable for both the DE and DR files.

these are for immo 2 ecus if u are immo 3 dont flash them they wont work unless your ecu is immo off u need HJ or HN.. Here is a ori AUM HJ


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 11, 2021, 02:42:37 AM
these are for immo 2 ecus if u are immo 3 dont flash them they wont work unless your ecu is immo off u need HJ or HN.. Here is a ori AUM HJ

how can i get used to know that my ecu is an immo 2 or an immo 3 . Although how can i turn the immo off?

LG


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Sandstorm3k on March 11, 2021, 02:45:14 AM
What year is the car? pre 2002 is IMMO 2 >2002 is IMMO 3.

2002 could either be immo 2 or immo 3, can check with VCDS. Very good point about the BIN differences!

You can do bootmode in the car when grounding pin 24 as you say, but i'd prefer doing it on a bench as so;

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3709.0


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: stuydub on March 11, 2021, 02:48:38 AM
What year is the car? pre 2002 is IMMO 2 >2002 is IMMO 3.

2002 could either be immo 2 or immo 3, can check with VCDS. Very good point about the BIN differences!

You can do bootmode in the car when grounding pin 24 as you say, but i'd prefer doing it on a bench as so;

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3709.0

Depending on location immo 2 euro pre 2001 immo3 2001 on the US is mainly immo 2 upto 2003


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Sandstorm3k on March 11, 2021, 02:50:44 AM
Depending on location immo 2 euro pre 2001 immo3 2001 on the US is mainly immo 2 upto 2003

Not entirely true, since my 2001 AUQ is immo 2, and my spare ECU from a 2002 was also immo 2! (EU)


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 11, 2021, 02:52:07 AM
My audi is an audi a3 1.8t aum 2003 from germany, so i have immo3?


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: stuydub on March 11, 2021, 03:02:00 AM
Not entirely true, since my 2001 AUQ is immo 2, and my spare ECU from a 2002 was also immo 2! (EU)
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LEON as guess as u had DR DE


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: stuydub on March 11, 2021, 03:03:13 AM
My audi is an audi a3 1.8t aum 2003 from germany, so i have immo3?


Yes immo3 u need to use a HJ or HN file


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 11, 2021, 03:09:07 AM
Ok now i know that i need to use this hh oder hj file but how can nefmotor find the right device for me?


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: stuydub on March 11, 2021, 03:09:57 AM
Not entirely true, since my 2001 AUQ is immo 2, and my spare ECU from a 2002 was also immo 2! (EU)

mk1 leon 2001 used DR immo 2 upto 2002 where as golf/a3 used it up till 2001 then switched to DE immo 3 when the 180 was used in golf/a3..shoul of just used the immo 3 set up from the get go in 2001 but guessing loads of un used ecus had to go some where lol


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: stuydub on March 11, 2021, 03:12:30 AM
Ok now i know that i need to use this hh oder hj file but how can nefmotor find the right device for me?

u probs gunna need boot mode... best bet grabbing a ft232 kkl cable use gallato which s on here to flash back


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 11, 2021, 03:21:08 AM
Nothing in the fr to find what gallato is..

Could u please explain?

I have an hex v2 cable i would then boot it with that cable as i ground the 24. Pin with the chassy of my car for three seconds

Right?


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 11, 2021, 03:23:12 AM
And its curious that yesterday when everything was okay, nefmotor could find a device either..

Is the reason behind that ,that i didnt activatet the dump mode in vcds?


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Sandstorm3k on March 11, 2021, 03:39:45 AM
Nothing in the fr to find what gallato is..
It's spelled Galletto

If you want to use this cable you indeed need to put in in "dumb" mode.

http://www.nefariousmotorsports.com/wiki/index.php/NefMoto_ECU_Flashing_Software


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 11, 2021, 03:40:58 AM
okay short update:

my friend has an kkl cable which i plugged in and boom!

nefmotor found an device but the flashing failed at first and then succeded.. im scared to do something.  

I flashed without an memory layout and only with the bin file. is that right ?

although i set the BAUD to 38400... how can i see if something went wrong?


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: adam- on March 11, 2021, 03:45:59 AM
You have to specific a memory layout.

Flashing random files you find on the internet is bad and this is exactly why.  Get your ECU part number and flash that exact file back on and only edit that file going forward.  A VCDS cable never works for me, I always use KKL.


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Sandstorm3k on March 11, 2021, 03:56:00 AM
okay short update:

my friend has an kkl cable which i plugged in and boom!

nefmotor found an device but the flashing failed at first and then succeded.. im scared to do something. 

I flashed without an memory layout and only with the bin file. is that right ?

although i set the BAUD to 38400... how can i see if something went wrong?
Sweet, that does sound right to my knowledge.
EDIT: You must indeed set correct memory layout i misread that part in your post

Flashing random files you find on the internet is bad and this is exactly why.  Get your ECU part number and flash that exact file back on and only edit that file going forward.
I 100% agree with this! Read fr, s4wiki and do it properly.


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: fknbrkn on March 11, 2021, 04:26:10 AM
You cannot flash anything without choosing memlayout
Its literally impossible with nef

Idk you absolutely has no idea what are you doing just a random stuff without sharing any details

post your original ecu hw sw
try to connect with vcds. if its ok and ecu responds - flash it with original file
if not - run bootmode on a bench with galletto or chiploader app



Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 11, 2021, 08:32:01 AM
So installed the HJ File that you gave me and i tried to get thr engine started.

Its just cranking and wont start.

Now i tried to flash the AUM that you guys give me at first but now after i flashed and tried it ,It wont even flash other bin files.

Im depressed right now and i think that i need to boot my ecu or wdy think?


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: _nameless on March 11, 2021, 09:00:19 AM
Discconect the battery for 10 minutes.
-Plug battery back
-turn the inginition ON
-Flash stock ori map
-Turn ignition OFF
-Turn ignition ON
-Start car
BDW: if both files are 1Mb, crosh flash schould work without problems. Traverse engines most off them are croshflasheble
eeprom differences some are not cross flashable without the proper eeprom. example 032hn v001 and 032hn v002. if you cross flash those it will brick after a few key cycles 


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: _nameless on March 11, 2021, 09:03:30 AM
Depending on location immo 2 euro pre 2001 immo3 2001 on the US is mainly immo 2 upto 2003

this is incorrect. AWW engine code was the only a chassis 1.8t that was immo2 02-05 was immo 3 (awp engine code) the 2001 180 model 1.8t was a awp too and that was immo 3. Info gathered from personal experience


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: _nameless on March 11, 2021, 09:04:59 AM
this is incorrect. AWW engine code was the only a chassis 1.8t in the usa that was immo2 02-05 was immo 3 (awp engine code) the 2001 180 model 1.8t was a awp too and that was immo 3. Info gathered from personal experience


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 11, 2021, 10:03:37 AM
Can i use for booting my ecu my kkl cable which i used for flashing too ?

Or do i NEED to purchase the Galetto cable?

Lg


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: adam- on March 11, 2021, 12:41:48 PM
So installed the HJ File that you gave me and i tried to get thr engine started.
Because the file does not match the EEP.  Like I said, flash the file that belongs on the ECU, not files people tell you 'might' work.


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 11, 2021, 11:55:31 PM
Sounds right ,

How can i check if the bin file is fitting for my ecu ?

I mean which parameters do i need to compare for and where can i get them?


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Sandstorm3k on March 12, 2021, 12:36:23 AM
Sounds right ,

How can i check if the bin file is fitting for my ecu ?

I mean which parameters do i need to compare for and where can i get them?
It literally says on the ECU, that's to my knowledge the only way to be 100% certain.

It'll have a number such as 06A906032(xx) and a software version underneath that number such as 0001, 0002, 0003. Find that file, flash it onto your car and it should be back to normal.


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 12, 2021, 12:49:56 AM
My number is : 60A 906 0 32 HJ
                           Benzin ME 7.5 0002

I cant flash my ecu because of the issue: immobilizer not authenticated

Why is that so?


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: _nameless on March 12, 2021, 01:10:15 AM
My number is : 60A 906 0 32 HJ
                           Benzin ME 7.5 0002

I cant flash my ecu because of the issue: immobilizer not authenticated

Why is that so?
because you flashed the wrong generation immo to your ecu and now its fucked. you wont be able to flash anything else to it with nefmoto. youll need to bootmode it or use mpps v16+ that has an option for immo bypass. or immo off the eeprom


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 12, 2021, 01:26:45 AM
That is the inside of my ecu , which 24. Pin of the chip need i need to ground on jare metal?



Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Sandstorm3k on March 12, 2021, 01:34:10 AM
That is the inside of my ecu , which 24. Pin of the chip need i need to ground on jare metal?


http://www.nefariousmotorsports.com/wiki/index.php/ECU_Boot_Mode

I have sent you already should be the same pin! You'll need to fiddle around with a few times usually before you get it to boot mode.


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: _nameless on March 12, 2021, 01:56:02 AM
That is the inside of my ecu , which 24. Pin of the chip need i need to ground on jare metal?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBuv1-rhXRI


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: _nameless on March 12, 2021, 02:45:50 AM
http://www.nefariousmotorsports.com/wiki/index.php/ECU_Boot_Mode

I have sent you already should be the same pin! You'll need to fiddle around with a few times usually before you get it to boot mode.
thats a bad example for a noob considering thats a me7.1 ecu


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 12, 2021, 02:58:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBuv1-rhXRI

Noob question: why did he just give a few pins power and not all the pins of the ecu?

My plan was to plug in the power cable of my car battery and charge my car battery meanwhile i set in boot mode with an other car.


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Sandstorm3k on March 12, 2021, 02:58:54 AM
thats a bad example for a noob considering thats a me7.1 ecu
True, sorry! I've used this example as the chip looks somewhat the same.


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 12, 2021, 04:03:30 AM
K suite is not connecting

Issue: connection not established

My setup: KKL Cable and Windows 10 64 bit.

Some tips?

I then would try to boot in nefmoto because my kkl cable shows that my ecu is connected with.

So im grounding ( Holding an wire to the pin and the other end to minus of my car battery.

Meanwhile my ecu is plugged in with the stock cables from the car .

Im really just doing it without knowing much about that and thats why i always ask you the tiniest detail..

Do i need to download files for booting in nefmoto? I dont want to do my ecu or car more worse than it alerady is..


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: adam- on March 12, 2021, 04:47:08 AM
You CANNOT boot using Nefmoto.
You need to use Galletto or MPPS.

You can only do it in the car if you leave the ignition on, remove the positive cable on the battery, then ground Pin 24 and then reconnect positive.  Read the detail in the threads posted and use the correct cable.


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 12, 2021, 04:53:14 AM
Ok looks like i really need to purchase galletto


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: Andrej1701 on March 12, 2021, 05:25:08 AM
I have an other idea...

I saw other ecu's on ebay with the code :

06A 906 032 HN
Benzin ME7.5
0002
Bosch 0 261 206 887

And the immo is off

My Ecu:

06A 906 032 HJ
Benzin ME7.5
0002
Bosch 0 261 207 436

Can i buy the ecu, build it in the car and it would run or do i need to code something?

Me as a noob would think that this will work because the immo is off.





Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: adam- on March 12, 2021, 05:27:57 AM
And you can't flash it with Nef.

Do what you want, you clearly won't listen to advice.


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: IamwhoIam on March 12, 2021, 06:48:52 AM
Is this a troll by any chance?


Title: Re: Audi A3 1.8t AUM to AUQ Map fail . Car wont start
Post by: _nameless on March 12, 2021, 09:08:01 PM
I have an other idea...

I saw other ecu's on ebay with the code :

06A 906 032 HN
Benzin ME7.5
0002
Bosch 0 261 206 887

And the immo is off

My Ecu:

06A 906 032 HJ
Benzin ME7.5
0002
Bosch 0 261 207 436

Can i buy the ecu, build it in the car and it would run or do i need to code something?

Me as a noob would think that this will work because the immo is off.




what cable are you using to flash with?
if its a generic kkl cable you can use mprog and change the serial number on the chip in the cable to work with galletto in bootmode. a pined thread exist on the topic