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Hi, I'm doing a 6hp19 to 1.8t me7.5 swap, the physical gearbox is already in place, the wires are also well connected, only the changes in the ECU have been made. So far I changed the coding in the eeprom ECU to automatic gearbox (only 5hp19) and changed the canvers, cwgc, FMOTC and Mdnorm at home in the ECU to the values ​​from the automatic gearbox from 3.0tdi (automatic gearbox with A4 B7 3.0tdi) I have no errors in the engine controller, but in the gearbox I have one error with the wrong software version P0614. Do I have to change the tcu load now for the box to run well? There are people on the forum who did 6hp19 with me7. 1.1 but do not reply to messages

You didn't PM me  ::)

I wrote to stoti and to a few other people  Did you change anything in tcu? Did you get rid of the bug from the wrong firmware version in tcu? And do you need to change nvquot 1-6 ??

ECU 8E0909518AK ?

8E0 909 518 AQ

1. No
2. Yes
3. No

Ive answered these questions at least twice on the forum within the last 3 years you should be able to find the answer quite easy   

Read what I wrote in this thread http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=17945.0

and how to make esp not to display these errors? I tried various encodings found on drive.ru and changed cwgrabh to 0 but still no response. Somewhere I found information to change CWKONFZ but I have 12 different addresses and I don't know which one to change for

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sat with my laptop a little bit in the garage today and got rid of all the abs / esp bugs
There are two things left for me to do, decode the brake force sensor from the ECU (18320) and check why the error still appears, the signal of the desired acceleration in the gearbox (006273 should disappear because it reads can) I will also change CWGGVFZG

So I managed to run 6hp19 with 3.0tdi on the original driver with 1.8t me7.5.1 engine no errors, full communication can change gears like diesel so far, only I have to do the gearbox program. A colleague from the forum wrote me to upload the software from 4.2 to this gearbox, but once that I do not have a file and two at home, the only thing I have is odis e and other files are used there  Maybe someone has a better idea how to change her gearshift thresholds? I also have access to flex and a ripped original file from the gearbox, I also add a short video in poor quality for yt how so far it changes gears

https://youtube.com/shorts/HOW4IBGhF-4?feature=share

Have you manage to read gearbox file?

I read the file, I have a friend with flex and it reads the file via obd in the attachment the automatic box file

Can you give more info how you read it? I have 4.2 gearbox so I will try to read it and post here. Try to flash that file

https://www.magicmotorsport.com/flex/

I have a friend who has this interface, if you have someone with this interface, you can easily download the file via the obd socket

Flex reads and writes the calibration only over OBD.
In boot it can dump the entire thing.

If you write in a different calibration file that does not match the ASW, you'll hard brick the box, only boot recovery is possible, and for that you need to physically access the mechatronic unit, to get to the boot pin.
Not a fun job.

Randomly writing a SGO - if you manage to write the wrong SGO or an SGO that has immo, you're gonna have a brick or an unwritable TCU over OBD.
This is a super stupid idea, not to mention the gear ratios are going to be most likely different on the 4.2, not to mention that all transmissions are not built the same and there can be very different pressures required.
Some 6HP transmissions even have completely different solenoid layout between transmission codes of the same model year, so it does not shift at all with the wrong software.

You can modify the file to have correct shift points, but it's a pretty big job. The diesel gearbox also usually has all the pressure maps end at 5500-5600 rpm, so all the pressure data is missing as well for the higher rpm's.
Everything needs to be rescaled... All the pressures, the torque intervention targets etc.

Realistically using a diesel box is a really stupid decision.
Getting someone to get it to work right is probably more expensive than selling it and buying the correct box...
It would take me a day probably to get it to work right (250+ maps to modify) and I know this thing inside and out, good luck if you don't have ten years of experience.

DSG which is so much easier already takes many hours of tweaking to get all the shiftpoints, shifting and gear ratios right, even when flashing a gasoline file on a diesel trans, which you probably can't do here.

Oh realy good info thank you

I have not random write SGO via ODIS, but one memeber on this forum has.
When TCU got bricked over ODIS, he yust write again file that work and that it is TCU work again. He write 2.0 TFSi 4.2 MPI and 3.0 mpi on 3.2 FSI gearbox. Some files work others not

According to SSP there only two layouts of solenoids on 6HP19 geaebox
One is with immo and other is without immo.  (Details post in attachment)



I also want to put TDI gearbox but I am so glad I didn't


PRJ can you make something for beter start on 6hp19, when I press brake not to lock TC and less pressure on TC if that is possible
Also to put shift points in tiptronic higer than engine rpm  limiter

The easiest way will be to change the box to 4.2 now only the question about immo, I guess the a6c6 have immo A4 not yet. Will it work if I throw in crates with a6c6 from immo? Canvers etc I will have to change it again I know

First C6 does not have immo, look at atachment. You need to find gearbox with that mehatronic without immo, you will reconize it by postion of valves

I can do everything with that gearbox, but will I? The answer is no, I do not deal with calibration anymore.

Hello, after successfully uploading the sgo to my box  I was able to upload the load from the 4.2mpi box, the gearbox accepted the charge by odis e. It is in safe mode because I do not like ftomn canvers etc which I have to change in the ECU bin file. I have a huge request for you, will you throw me photos of vcds with the visible number of the gearbox and a photo of the measuring block channel 12?

I try upload yours transsmiasion verision

Too bad... but is it possible to do what I ask without any mod to TC?
Also do you have any definition and checksum corrector for this gearbox willing to sell?

Before loading random transmission version, did you compare the gear ratios and final drive in ELSA?
Because if they are different it will be in limp mode and all the shift maps will be garbage.

Main gear, rear, I do not know what to call it, it is only different. If i  kills the mechatronics, I will buy a second gearbox now correct from gasoline. Currently, this is the only chance to solve my problem, which I will try to solve easily

Thank you for the photo, if you added a photo where you can see the number and version of the box, it will help me a lot

Something like that :)

If you mean the rear diff you are ok. As long as the gearbox output shaft speed is as expected for each gear you should not have any significant issues.

Mine is 4F but same sh...
Can you ask friend to get you .bin file from that software

I need to set the matching fmotc in the engine ECU. 9 from my box nor 33 from yours do not fit, I have 98 more attempts to upload the file to the ECU  And I have all the odisa files I found on mhh

Open the matching 4.2 file and see what it is... simple.

So we managed to upload the 4.2 firmware to the 6hp19 gearbox from 3.0tdi It has a terrible first gear and hydro converter skid. With small steps forward ... I'm adding a movie

https://youtu.be/YTElKfwQaqU

Because your torque output from the 1.8T is probably completely wrong. You can't go YOLO on KFMIRL/KFMIOP if its an auto trans. Set it to stock/rescale properly incl. MDNORM.

Also, it is possible that there are physical differences inside the gearbox between 3.0 TDI and 4.2.

I changed Mdnorm to what it was before, you are right there is an improvement. KFMIRL / KFMIOP I also have to sit on them a bit because it's better but still in first gear I can't get the full load

But will I get the full load without boost? I will try, but I think it will not change anything with this size of turbo

Set stock KFMIRL/KFMIOP. And probably everything will work ok.
You need to learn how torque works.

Thanks for the contribution to the topic and willingness to share knowledge, but I'm coming back after a long break. I set the original irl and iop maps and the car did not even want to start, i.e. it started and went out after a while, I have quite a lot changed in the driver at home by different people. Coming back to the topic, in first gear is normally full load and the car accelerates normally as in a manual gearbox, but the tip tronic with 3.0 tdi failed, probably the gearbox had some problem before. Currently, I am testing 2.0tfsi gearboxes, the gear ratios are much shorter, the driving experience is much better, but one thing is still bothering me, is the gearbox controller calculating the current torque based on irl / iop or another parameter and adjusting the clutch slip and gear change to it?

Output torque = (mdiist - mdverl) * MDNORM.
All gearbox mapping is based on that torque.
If you do not have torque correctly calibrated (OEM) KFMIOP/KFMIRL, you will never reach a good result.

And I never heard of a car not starting because of stock KFMIOP/KFMIRL.
Flash stock file.

The original bin file will certainly not start, no air flow meter, map sensor from tdi, 980ccm fuel injections, e50 fuel. I have to check when I get home if I did not make a mistake copying the maps because in the low RPM range my file does not differ much from the original one. As you mentioned, I still have to learn a lot, but I am sure that the original iop / irl will not help me too much, because only the engine body is left from the serial engine. There is your iop / irl map counting application on the forum. How do you think I can use it to make maps again so that the gearbox understands that the engine is 700nm at full boost?

Type less and read more.
All the information is contained in previous post.

Making random KFMIRL and KFMIOP will not help the gearbox to work correctly.
Calibrate it correctly or buy aftermarket controller for gearbox.

I spent some time on iop and irl and one person in Poland advised what to do (the fastest s5 in Poland) thanks a lot, I think the ECU is well set. I leave the film behind and count on constructive criticism.
The only thing left for me to do is soft in tcu
https://youtu.be/vE_idPdPGQ0

hey the gearbox got a new program and it actually works like in the movie. After an aggressive drive of about 5,000 km, the oil in the box is as bright as when it was flooded. I feel that the power is a bit lost by installing the automatic but the shift time compensates for it.
do you think it makes sense to keep doing a new gearbox program?

https://youtu.be/I2aqnLDjXac

Hello!How are things going with 6hp, can I get it to work with block 7.1.1? Can you help?

of course it will work, the drivers have the same protocol. everything you need to change can be found in this topic, if you still don't know anything, ask