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Title: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kingkhalilz on September 13, 2014, 05:23:00 PM
So stupid me, I made some changes to my .bin and flashed it without correcting checksum. It had errors. Car didnt start. So I try and boot it in boot mode. When I use nefmoto to try and see if it connects in boot mode it doesnt. Galleto says its not in boot mode or invalid someyhing like that. I have tried pin 24. I have also tried connecting the two leads like the switch in all the pictures flying around. So two questions one, is it possible to flash an ecu without the checksums being corrected and not be able to save it. And two my chip that im grounding pin 24 is labelled correctly but it doesnt have a white sticker on it. Is that normal. Getting frustrated with this. Thanks folks


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: ddillenger on September 13, 2014, 08:06:12 PM
You can flash a picture of baby jesus and bootmode can still be used for recovery.

This right here is why you should be prepared and able to get your ecu into bootmode BEFORE flashing.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: hopsis on September 14, 2014, 02:25:50 AM
Nefmoto won't help You in that point. Galletto is the right tool to use with bootmode flashing. Can You get a screen capture of the Galletto error? Have You used Galletto successfully with this ecu before?


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: Lost on September 14, 2014, 03:35:02 AM
So stupid me, I made some changes to my .bin and flashed it without correcting checksum. It had errors. Car didnt start. So I try and boot it in boot mode. When I use nefmoto to try and see if it connects in boot mode it doesnt. Galleto says its not in boot mode or invalid someyhing like that. I have tried pin 24. I have also tried connecting the two leads like the switch in all the pictures flying around. So two questions one, is it possible to flash an ecu without the checksums being corrected and not be able to save it. And two my chip that im grounding pin 24 is labelled correctly but it doesnt have a white sticker on it. Is that normal. Getting frustrated with this. Thanks folks

Don't panic. This has happened to just every one of oss.
You are doing something wrong obviously.
I am using mmps for bootmode and it does not follow standard procedure on 551k box.
I need too ground pin 24, hit the charger, then let the ground off. Than put the ground on pin 24 again as I get a question on the data screen from mmps soft. When I confirm Yes, than it goes into bootmode.
Take it easy, you will get there.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kingkhalilz on September 14, 2014, 09:57:23 AM
I see. Haha baby Jesus.
Okay, I am doing something wrong then. The cable I am using is a new one with the good chip. I have installed drivers for it but never witnessed this cable work.

I am using nefmoto just to see if it comnects in bootmode cause I did ddillengers write up and changed in hex code galleto to use my cable. I spent like three hours trying different variations of power off ignition on battery off ignition on while grounding that pin. Grounding it to the sides of the ecu where its ground, body of the car scratched paint off and the battery ground. I always waited about 3 seconds while it powers up. I also tried the switch way with paper clip and tweezers.

Is it this sensitive? Or my cable and the ecu is in bootmode?


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: ddillenger on September 14, 2014, 10:02:28 AM
If you are doing it in car, ground the pin (ignition off) have someone turn the ignition on, count to 5, remove ground.

If that doesn't work, try it on the bench :)


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kingkhalilz on September 14, 2014, 10:11:13 AM
So I dont need battery off and on just ignition?
is there a specific com port galleto needs?? I will try it once more in car then get it on a bench.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kory2000pr on September 14, 2014, 04:18:18 PM
I spent almost 3 days trying to put my 032cl immo2 into bootmode while in the car without luck.
Tried bench bootmode and got it on my first try. I dont even bother with in vehicle bootmode anymore.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kingkhalilz on September 14, 2014, 05:00:45 PM
Yeah, im gunna try and get it on a bench. really frustrating. All the mistakes one can make I did.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: ddillenger on September 14, 2014, 10:52:04 PM
Yeah, im gunna try and get it on a bench. really frustrating. All the mistakes one can make I did.


Mistakes happen. It's all part of learning. The best advice I have is try to anticipate and be prepared for the worst. Anyone that's been doing this for any appreciable amount of time has their "oh shit" moments.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kingkhalilz on September 15, 2014, 08:29:59 PM
Thanks for the kind words. Im getting a PC power supply tomorrow and gunna attempt to flash it back. I havent gotten an email from the tuner.pro plugin guy (mtx). Was sent on the 9th. not sure what to do. Not in spam or anything like that.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: vwaudiguy on September 15, 2014, 09:14:03 PM
You can flash a picture of baby jesus and bootmode can still be used for recovery.

See you in h3ll D!  :)


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: turboat on September 16, 2014, 12:40:23 AM
Thanks for the kind words. Im getting a PC power supply tomorrow and gunna attempt to flash it back. I havent gotten an email from the tuner.pro plugin guy (mtx). Was sent on the 9th. not sure what to do. Not in spam or anything like that.

Email him again, seemed fairly friendly when I talked to him.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kingkhalilz on September 16, 2014, 10:07:06 PM
I sent him another email. Bench flashing is going no where. Im getting 11.5v on my multimeter where I need it. Checked resistance to all the ground pins when power is off of course.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: turboat on September 17, 2014, 07:20:48 AM
Using your bench rig, can you connect using VCDS or nef? (Obviously not in bootmode)


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kingkhalilz on September 17, 2014, 09:30:52 AM
nef wont connect either in boot or kw protocol. nef recognizes my cable is plugged in tho sends packets and fails. Galleto just keeps telling me bootmode inactive. Both have been freezing a lot more often then before. Im gunna uninstall everything and reinstall, the driver too.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: hopsis on September 17, 2014, 09:57:42 AM
Have You tried with another ecu? One that You know for sure is working. Over the years I've had three or four cheap ebay cables just stop working with no apparent reason. (Well tbh once I jammed the 2x2 connector in my UrS6 the wrong way and that killed one cable.)


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kingkhalilz on September 17, 2014, 12:00:28 PM
I dont have another ecu. I could try and get a passats ecu. The cable is new as of a couple days ago. I gotta make moves that diagnose the problem. getting another ecu would be helpful.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kyleb999 on September 18, 2014, 09:08:42 AM
I have had an issue using galletto not doing boot mode read/write on my newer laptop. It will read and write via kwp but not boot. Using my older 32 bit laptop allowed me to use boot mode.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: slimwadey on September 18, 2014, 03:29:28 PM
I have never got into boot mode with either of my ecu's, galletto never works, cant even read ecu info
The only software that continually connects is MPPS , and only on an early clone version without bootmode availability
i am pretty sure i have driver or cable issues as both my ECU's have had immo off after i have failed to boot mode them

So i sympathise with you, its so frustrating, i have spent many a long night/morning trying to get into boot, even after 2 pc changes !!


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: turboat on September 19, 2014, 04:12:43 AM
I never managed to get galletto working on my 64bit laptop, seems to work ok on my 32bit one. What you get for buying crappy clone tools. Does mpps work on 64bit windows?


Title: Re:
Post by: slimwadey on September 19, 2014, 08:54:32 AM
Clone mpps works on 64bit laptop,  v13


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kingkhalilz on September 21, 2014, 05:19:47 PM
Yeah my laptop is xp :) so im not worried about that, im going to look for a new laptop soon tho. I have spend so long trying weird different things, im close to throwing in the towel. I need my car. Its been sitting way to long. Ima try one last time with a new pc and power supply if it doesnt work then there isnt much i can do.

The plugin guy for tunerpro still has not emailed me back...... So i cant even make legit changes yet.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kingkhalilz on October 02, 2014, 06:18:22 PM
He still has not e-mailed me back i have sent him many e-mails....not sure what to do with that

Nefmoto wont open when my cable is plugged in. It will freeze when I do get it to open and no cable is detected. Mprog gives an error FT_open-Invalid handle. My cable also doesn't like some of the usb ports on my laptop. I did write the cable with galletto's serial number. I wonder if they are connected, i am positive i did it correct.

Reading through more stuff, apparently you can brick a cable. Could i have done this?? Can the serial code be anything. At one point i did change the serial code to be 1234567. 


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kingkhalilz on October 02, 2014, 09:23:06 PM
I did get nef to work and recognize the cable again. It is extremely finicky. Nef red the serial to be 12345678 so i am coding it correctly. It is just very finicky. I have to unplug and re-install drivers about 5 times to get it to connect once and after i attempt to boot mode connect it fails of course and then if i try it again it doesnt recognize the device. It seems to not care if the cable has power or not. I might try and get yet another cable.....


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kingkhalilz on October 11, 2014, 01:42:48 PM
Okay so i got on another computer to give this a go and everything is not finicky at all. I think windows xp can be a bitch. When i try with nef it goes back and forth between Failed to read test echo from FTDI device. Could not open FTDI device. After each attempt i have to refresh devices to get nef to see the cable again. I have pin 16 power pin 4 ground and pin 7 to the ecu on my cable. Is the cable bad??


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kingkhalilz on October 17, 2014, 03:35:49 PM
I got a new power supply does 13.8v output. No luck all i get is Boot mode inactive and i know its lying to me. I have tried for like a week now with different drivers. Im positive the serial on my cable matches galleto. My car has not run for a month now. I really need some help. I have tried this on xp 32bit and windows 7 64bit. Several different computers. Everytime boot mode inactive. Some say i should get mpps.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: turboat on October 17, 2014, 04:31:28 PM
Have you tried reading the eeprom off it, with argdubs tool? (assuming its compatible) Might tell you if you are successfully getting it into bootmode.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kingkhalilz on October 17, 2014, 04:34:06 PM
Thanks! Getting error

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\ABC>cd desktop

C:\Documents and Settings\ABC\Desktop>me7_95040 --h
ME7_95040 v1.02
Allows to program ME7 ECU's EEPROM (95040) in boot mode.
This software needs a dumb serial to k-line cable for connection with the ecu.

Usage: me7_95040 [OPTIONS]... [FILE]...
 -p, --comport COMPORT     Set COMPORT.
 -b, --baudrate BAUDRATE   Set BAUDRATE, default: 57600.
                           Allowed baud rates: 9600, 10400, 19200, 57600.
 -r, --read                Save EEPROM contents to file.
 -w, --write               Write file to EEPROM.
 -s, --screen              Print EEPROM contents to screen.
     --help                Display this help and exit.

Usage example:
   Print EEPROM contents to srcreen:   $ me7_95040 --comport 1 --screen
   Save EEPROM contents to file:       $ me7_95040 -r -p 1 95040.bin
   Write file to EEPROM at 10400 bps:  $ me7_95040 -w -b 10400 -p1 95040.bin

It's free for hobby use.
This software is provided "as is", with NO WARRANTY.
email: agv.tuning@gmail.com

C:\Documents and Settings\ABC\Desktop>me7_95040 --comport 1 --screen
Opening COM1 ... OK
Starting Boot_mode ... FAIL. (error=0x09)
Closing COM1

I guess she doesnt want to go into boot mode. i tried giving pin 21 12v as well to no avail. tried shorting pin 24 and keeping the pads shorted. I wonder if my ecu is broke.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: dave926 on October 17, 2014, 08:04:58 PM
Try putting 12v to pin 121 as well.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kingkhalilz on October 17, 2014, 08:56:09 PM
Tried, same results. Error 0x09.....im starting to think its broke, i have tried everything for so long. The only thing that i can even think of that would be a problem is my wires are small, but that doesnt matter. Probably same size as the cars harness. Any other suggestions?? If someone wants to be awesome that has a known working bench flash set-up i can send it to them. I dont know how else to verify if this thing is broken or not.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: ddillenger on October 17, 2014, 11:23:42 PM
Tried, same results. Error 0x09.....im starting to think its broke, i have tried everything for so long. The only thing that i can even think of that would be a problem is my wires are small, but that doesnt matter. Probably same size as the cars harness. Any other suggestions?? If someone wants to be awesome that has a known working bench flash set-up i can send it to them. I dont know how else to verify if this thing is broken or not.

PM me for an address. I will take a look.


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kingkhalilz on November 01, 2014, 01:51:33 PM
So, i go to flash a mbox file with bosch maf. And cable doesnt want to connect. It also says that it doesnt support premium features. I have a ss of it. Maybe the cable is my problem. D when i sent you the cable did you connect with nef to an ecu with it or just see it was ftdi232r? I am determined to figure this out :)


Title: Re: ecu wont go in boot mode
Post by: kingkhalilz on November 01, 2014, 01:57:06 PM
Sorry pic got mixed with old crap