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Noob Zone => Noob Questions => Topic started by: b4A4nowA6 on October 03, 2014, 12:09:58 PM



Title: Bootmode
Post by: b4A4nowA6 on October 03, 2014, 12:09:58 PM
am I going t break something opening the freaking ECU? trying to find pin 24 and be done with this crap already!


Title: Re: Now WHAT?!?!
Post by: b4A4nowA6 on October 03, 2014, 12:13:53 PM
http://s4wiki.com/images/thumb/6/62/ME7.1.1-bootmode.png/800px-ME7.1.1-bootmode.png


Based on the Picture at the bottom for me7.1.1   Do I touch both points to ground?


Title: Re: Now WHAT?!?!
Post by: b4A4nowA6 on October 03, 2014, 12:30:32 PM
OK so After I posted I found the answer to opening.. hah.. not really funny for me but...... What about what people are using to connect to pin24? I will be doing this In Car..  Thanks


Title: Re: Now WHAT?!?!
Post by: nyet on October 03, 2014, 12:32:32 PM
http://s4wiki.com/wiki/Bootmode

(http://s4wiki.com/images/thumb/0/00/ME7.1-bootmode-info.png/400px-ME7.1-bootmode-info.png)

For this board, I have a small hole drilled in the ecu case right above that switch, so I can hit it with a small screwdriver.


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: nyet on October 03, 2014, 12:34:16 PM
Alternate way, with a momentary switch:

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=1369.msg34001#msg34001


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: hopsis on October 03, 2014, 02:14:12 PM
Screwdriver through a hole sounds like a very bad idea. How can You know what You are hitting with the screwdriver or if You are hitting anything at all?

I just use a piece of wire with a gator clip on the other end that I ground to the side of the ecu board every time I need it. Nothing permanent, no drilling, no soldering. Then again, I've never tried to bootmode with the ecu in the car. The way I see it, if You anyway have to dig out the ecu so that You can flip a switch, You might as well take it to a bench.


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: turboat on October 03, 2014, 02:26:33 PM
Having a push button rather than having to short the pin out with a bit of wire seems sensible if you do it a lot, it's far too easy to slip and get other pins.


Title: Re: Now WHAT?!?!
Post by: b4A4nowA6 on October 03, 2014, 02:34:13 PM
http://s4wiki.com/wiki/Bootmode

(http://s4wiki.com/images/thumb/0/00/ME7.1-bootmode-info.png/400px-ME7.1-bootmode-info.png)

For this board, I have a small hole drilled in the ecu case right above that switch, so I can hit it with a small screwdriver.
ok, for some reason I didnt see the OR..   so  if I take a"something" to ground that pin 24. Like to the engine block.   If I get an error: opening port impossible..   what would that mean?  let me rephrase. Itried and I think I messed up grounding it properly and I got that error message.


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: nyet on October 03, 2014, 03:13:04 PM
http://s4wiki.com/wiki/Bootmode

What part of that did you get wrong?

Be specific. It is impossible to tell what you got wrong if you don't actually say what you did.


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: ddillenger on October 03, 2014, 03:32:47 PM
The opening port error is due to the cable not matching the galletto software,


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: b4A4nowA6 on October 03, 2014, 04:32:16 PM
Ok, so I know I grounded it correctly. But
1: How do I even know If I am in bootmode and;
2: I will see what I can do about matching the cable up with the software.
I went through your procedure ddilenger and chaneged the serial number in the .exe to match the rosstech serial number of RT000001. I put it in a conversion table to hex. changed it in winOLS.


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: b4A4nowA6 on October 03, 2014, 05:04:12 PM
should I be going from text to HEX>? or Char/Dec   I went with text to hex and got the number to use


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: hopsis on October 04, 2014, 12:23:56 AM
Having a push button rather than having to short the pin out with a bit of wire seems sensible if you do it a lot, it's far too easy to slip and get other pins.

Absolutely. But then You need to solder the wire from the push button to the correct pin and that has it's on risks. You need a decent soldering station and a fair bit or experience for something like this. And I should know, I solder things for a living all the time (Computer & cellphone repair tech).


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: ddillenger on October 04, 2014, 05:43:46 AM
Also, keep in mind that if you use a stiff wire, you can tear the pads from the board. I would say this is a terrible idea. Bootmode is very easy, and done so rarely that a switch is crazyness.


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: Tigerimtank on October 04, 2014, 03:39:20 PM
Here my ME 7.1.1 with Bootmode Pin on/off


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: b4A4nowA6 on October 04, 2014, 07:58:35 PM
Thanks for the pictures.  I will try that. Still have to fix the port opening error though


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: b4A4nowA6 on October 07, 2014, 09:58:38 AM
I got the port comm fixed.  Now Back to my previous question. ..  How do I know if I am in BOOTMODE??


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: turboat on October 07, 2014, 10:15:04 AM
If you are in bootmode, bootmode stuff works. If you are not, it doesnt.


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: b4A4nowA6 on October 07, 2014, 10:59:21 AM
So, if Galletto said it was reading ecu......then I'm in bootmode?


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: b4A4nowA6 on October 07, 2014, 07:40:17 PM
Sorry,  stupid t9... anyway.  If galletto reads ecu data. Then it's in bootmode???


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: nyet on October 08, 2014, 12:34:11 PM
Sorry,  stupid t9... anyway.

You can edit your posts you know :P


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: nyet on October 08, 2014, 12:34:48 PM
Sorry,  stupid t9... anyway.  If galletto reads ecu data. Then it's in bootmode???

If you are in bootmode, bootmode stuff works. If you are not, it doesnt.


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: turboat on October 08, 2014, 03:16:16 PM
I remember thinking when I was messing around trying to get galletto working, that it'd be real nice if an led came on to say when you're in bootmode


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: nyet on October 08, 2014, 03:17:24 PM
Me too. Seriously.


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: b4A4nowA6 on October 08, 2014, 09:56:29 PM
thanks.. and 1 for the l.e.d. as well


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: b4A4nowA6 on October 09, 2014, 06:20:47 PM
Ok, so after getting my vcds to work with galletto,I had a hard time getting the VCDS software back on and I then ordered a mpps cable and disk  . The program looks different than galleto so I am curious what you think about which one I should use.?  Mpps and SW or dl the galletto on it?


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: nyet on October 09, 2014, 07:17:21 PM
Galletto + ftdi cable for bootmode
Nefmoto + ftdi or VCDS cable in dumb mode for flashing
ME7L + ftdi or VCDS cable in dumb mode for logging
VCDS + genuine VCDS cable for VCDS

If you have ME7.1 there is no need for MPPS.

You can also use VCDS VCP drivers to use VCDS cable for Galletto but there is no point, and the VCP stuff just confuses people, especially noobs.


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: b4A4nowA6 on October 09, 2014, 07:46:05 PM
Galletto + ftdi cable for bootmode
Nefmoto + ftdi or VCDS cable in dumb mode for flashing
ME7L + ftdi or VCDS cable in dumb mode for logging
VCDS + genuine VCDS cable for VCDS

If you have ME7.1 there is no need for MPPS.

You can also use VCDS VCP drivers to use VCDS cable for Galletto but there is no point, and the VCP stuff just confuses people, especially noobs.
Thanks a lot for that NYET.  I am on ME7.1.1    Thanks again
The image below shows after I re-did bootmode and rewrote my known good Bin on with galletto and my VCDS cable (since I could ot get galletto to install on my mpps cable). I tried leaving my car on for 15 minutes to see if that worked or not, It did not for me. SoI will have to reinstall vcds on my vcds cable to see what they mean. Should I try to flash over a file with nefmoto at this point or m I still screwed?


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: turboat on October 10, 2014, 10:11:26 AM
SoI will have to reinstall vcds on my vcds cable to see what they mean. Should I try to flash over a file with nefmoto at this point or m I still screwed?

You can have nef, galleto and VCDS all installed at the same time... There is also a list of fault codes around somewhere, I think I found it in the 'protocols' forum, but i could be wrong.

I always try flashing with nef first, nothing much to loose there.


Title: Re: Bootmode..Update
Post by: b4A4nowA6 on October 10, 2014, 10:43:45 AM
Got my car started after I tried galletto last night with the 15min in on position had no luck, I just flashed over the ecu like normal with mpps. Now it is all good in the hood.


Title: Re: Bootmode
Post by: MIL_on on October 13, 2014, 12:35:51 AM
I would say that theres absolutely no need for the Galetto! MPPS does Bootmode and normal OBD and is the most stable running clone you can get for that money!