NefMoto

Are there any files i can compare to, to find timing and fueling maps to? I'm trying to tune but no hope! ???

The rules are to post the original stock binary before asking for map locations. Why are you ignoring the rules?

Look in 3d view. Timing maps are one of the easiest to find. They are very distinctive.

Sorry i do not have stock bin. I about to attempt tuning my friends 3.0l for just experience reasons. What can i compare the timing map to? A 4.2l bin or just any bin?

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Not sure if there is one Audi 3.0L uses 7.1 but the Naturally aspirated 3.0 AVK engine I know of uses ME 7.1.1.

Here is one file you can try:
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3180.msg31961;topicseen#msg31961

version 004 is the latest I believe.

It is me7.1.1 i'm trying to find timing right now and it's a bit difficult. any help

Found kfmiop and kfmirl. just by modifying them my top end is WAY BETTER! Can someone help me find timing

What? Placebo!

Timing maps start at 12EB2.

Daz is right , it is probably placebo effect.... But you should improved throttle response a bit :)

Have you ever tuned a 4.2l v8 N/A. There is no Placebo effect going on when you tune that. Whats weird is its only top end. Kind of feels like vtec haha.

Back to learning things. So i look at timing maps in 3d pretty easy to find the mountains highlighted, but how do you spot them so easy looking at an undefined bin like the 3.0l? There's no bin out there to compare to?

There is no need to modify IRL/IOP if you're not changing volumetric efficiency. Look at KFPED....

As for identifying the maps, experience. If you know what they look like, you can spot them easily.

So your contention is that modifying torque request (and load request) will give you more horsepower? Interesting.

No that is not my goal. Goal is to advance timing till knock is retarded just to see how much of a difference it makes. I was messing with the torque map to see if gain occurred which torque makes horse power anyways so yes i did see gain. Horse power is just work done in 1 minute

Unless you are seeing torque intervention, changing IOP/IRL does not give you more torque.

Why would there be gain from change? Don't say there is not because there is.

There is no torque intervention, its a stock 3.0l just kfmiop changed and kfmirl

why dont you make a maf log of stock and a maf log of "tuned" to prove the engine is flowing more air?

i agree with everyone else. without any other changes, you arent making any more power.

Ok will do, but one problem I don't have the 3.0slow on hand. Can i try doing this to my 1.8t to prove this or does it have to be 3.0?

NA vs FI. Big difference.

Look, you only have 3 parameters. Boost, timing, fuel.

If you can't change boost (N/A) you are changing timing or fuel..

Altering IOP/IRL shouldn't change timing unless there is torque intervention.

So i can't compare until I get the car, well that might take a while. I will prove to you that there can be power gain from kfmiop and kfmirl from a N/A car mark my word! Back on the question of tuning a file that you can't compare a defined bin to. What is in your mind the easiest way to define an undefined car?

Camshaft overlap, intake runner activation, and torque request should be added to that list.

By torque request you mean throttle plate angle?

Well, specifically KFPED.

IMO, dicking with IRL is just backwards here.

KFPED can limit torque in only two ways: throttle plate angle, torque intervention (that is to say, timing).

Suggesting that you need only open the throttle plate to 100% to get more HP out of a NA motor is ... I can't even find an adjective for it.

I wasn't saying you'll get more peak power :P

Simply stating that you can change the characteristics of the car by altering it. Tuning isn't JUST about peak numbers after all. It's about enhancing the driving experience.

This is the context :)

Heh. Fair enough.