NefMoto

What's everyone's preference and why?  I don't want to start a flame thread or anything, I use WinOLS just because I started out that way.  I do see a lot of TunerPro usage on the forums though so thought I'd ask.

Tunerpro usage is high because it's free, and less complicated. More suited for beginners, and non-professionals (most folks on here?)

I use tunerpro because Im too lazy for software piracy.

OLS is much better IMHO.

TunerPro you can use if you have a ready definition.
Similar like Ecuflash for example.

OLS if you need to make said definition, which is where you will spend a lot of your time if you do this professionally.
So for professional use deffo OLS.

As for piracy - there is no need to pirate it, you could just buy it you know. 1500 EUR is not that much when you are making money out of tuning.

Truth

Sure, but for the hobbyist, e1500 is quite a lot!

Truth  ;D

Get good. Turn pro. Buy WinOLS. Be happy. :)

Plan  :)

What about professional hobbyists?

So its fairly clearcut, do you want to spend e1500 on some software for your hobby? If so, buy winols.
If not, are you down with software piracy? If so, pirate winols.
If not, use tunerpro.

Personally I'm anti-piracy for a bunch of reasons - the obvious ones like not liking ripping off developers, ripping off people who enable this industry in the first place, and also because when you start installing pirate software you open yourself up to the malware that is often shipped with it, plus actually making some more complex pirate software work is a huge pita, and life is just too short.

ME7Sum pretty much takes care of the need for pirated Winols. I still use Winols to compare between files and for some other stuff that it does better than Tunerpro but all of those things can be done with the free evaluation version of Winols.

Doesn't WinOls have a really good Checksum plugin, while TunerPro's is mediocre at best??  I've seen too many of the: ""I used TunerPro Checksum, but checksum failed on second startup...engine dies...P0601 code"" posts in the Audi forums.

What is the "TunerPro Checksum"? Hint: Don't listen to morons.

nyet, I had/have no way of knowing whether, or not, they were "morons" when they stated the the Tunerpro Checksum plugin wasn't up to par with WinOls. Especially considering that I had never used either version in the past.

I will have to do a search here on Nefmoto, but I could've sworn that I've read some posts from Hero & Senior members, here, stating the same; That Tunerpro checksum plugin wasn't up to WinOls standards.  Again, I cannot be sure, until I do the search

Do they mean the mtx plugin? If I had a dollar for every time some dipshit complained about software but didn't bother getting involved in fixing it, i'd be a brazillionaire.

MTX is proprietary, but ME7Sum is not. Source is available.

And yet not a single person has sent me a patch. Ever. Certainly nobody from AZ or anywhere else lol.

"Omg this totally free software isn't as good as this $1500 software that I stole, now I have to pay $15 to MTX so I can do checksums. Omg"

The morons were probably complaining about the MTX plugin, now me7sum works and is free, I see no reason to bother with it.

Nyet - why would I need to patch perfection ;)

How can you type with your lips pressed against nye's ass?

haha

Lol thanks but me7sum has still has several really bad bugs i dunno how to fix

Touch(ass) typing is just one of the skills you pick up working for a soulless multi-national :D



Assume there a bug tracker on the github page? I'll take a look if I get some spare cycles sometime, be good to at least take a look at the code.

Biggest problem with the MTX plugin was that nobody wanted to sell one, even when there were a significant amount of "shut up and take my money!" emails sent.

There is but I haven't opened a bug for the biggest issue: recursive checksums (i.e. fixing a checksum in an area covered by a checksum that was already just checked and corrected).

I had this problem. Two emails sent asking for payment information, never received a reply.

I then used nyet's ME7SUM, and it worked spot-on. Please set up a donation PayPal nyet!

No doubt, I donate to a lot of things that I find value in.  I know a lot of people create these things to help the cause and contribute to the community but there's people that don't have the same skill sets that could at least contribute back in a monetary form.