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Title: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: bmw mads on October 26, 2015, 06:27:15 AM
Hi all.

I have not bin abel to find the answer that i trust so hope someone can help here. I have tryed over obd. But my kess said 1.98v on batte i pick the right AGB code but i got unknown  ecu. I then tryed open it to look at st10 boot mode but pic with a 100kohm solder to chip legs. But my print b is a bit diffent from kess picture  of the print. I att a foto of the ecu.. so can this be done over obd. Something wrong with obd connector in car maybe?   I found a lot of good info on the forum but like to be sure before i take new steps

Bg mads


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: overspeed on October 26, 2015, 06:46:52 AM
Kess clone ?

Whats version ?

Old 2.06/3.999 will not work on these ECU by OBD... 


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: Lost on October 26, 2015, 07:26:29 AM
Hi all.

I have not bin abel to find the answer that i trust so hope someone can help here. I have tryed over obd. But my kess said 1.98v on batte i pick the right AGB code but i got unknown  ecu. I then tryed open it to look at st10 boot mode but pic with a 100kohm solder to chip legs. But my print b is a bit diffent from kess picture  of the print. I att a foto of the ecu.. so can this be done over obd. Something wrong with obd connector in car maybe?   I found a lot of good info on the forum but like to be sure before i take new steps

Bg mads



I dont understand the question completly but what i see is that you have an early preface S4 98 or 99 with 551C box 512kb. It surely can be flashed over OBD but you vill need to install direkt K- line between ECU - OBD.


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: bmw mads on October 26, 2015, 09:18:03 AM
Kess clone ?

Whats version ?

Old 2.06/3.999 will not work on these ECU by OBD... 

i have EU kess 208 042 but then i connect though obd its shows 1.98v and not 11.98 or 13v ect. i also have  transdata but i find many diff. solution on connection and way to boot. some with 10k ohm resitor on leg´s of chip and transdata dont use that. but a singel boot sport on print.


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: bmw mads on October 26, 2015, 09:26:56 AM


I dont understand the question completly but what i see is that you have an early preface S4 98 or 99 with 551C box 512kb. It surely can be flashed over OBD but you vill need to install direkt K- line between ECU - OBD.

ok. by wiring between car connctor obd and kess obd connector ? / had not read you message vell.. ok do you have pin nr on obd in car and ecu pin nr. 'BG


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: nyet on October 26, 2015, 10:21:32 AM
Quote
I have not bin abel to find the answer that i trust so hope someone can help here. I have tryed over obd. But my kess said 1.98v on batte i pick the right AGB code but i got unknown  ecu.

Get VCDS.

551C is an ME7 ecu.

You can use the Neftmoto flashing software to flash it (need Galletto for bootmode + bench). Please read ALL of the stickies and all of the links in my sig.

The K line is ALREADY connected to your obd; but some old S4's have issues with the cluster interfering, you may have to pull the cluster fuse or disconnect the cluster to flash over obd.


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: bmw mads on October 26, 2015, 12:42:50 PM
Get VCDS.

551C is an ME7 ecu.

You can use the Neftmoto flashing software to flash it (need Galletto for bootmode + bench). Please read ALL of the stickies and all of the links in my sig.

The K line is ALREADY connected to your obd; but some old S4's have issues with the cluster interfering, you may have to pull the cluster fuse or disconnect the cluster to flash over obd.

very usefull info thx. i will try the fuse out.. i think the cluster is a bit of it self sometimes so maby thats cursing it. but i got bench and transdata also if obd dont work i will do it over bench then but i just wanted to be 100 % sure if soldering 10kohm to chip leg on this ecu or not or jst use sport boot pin out. thanks for you inputs


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: nyet on October 26, 2015, 03:43:10 PM
soldering 10kohm to chip leg on this ecu

No soldering required for OBD flash.

For bootmode, you do need a momentary though.

AGAIN, PLEASE READ ALL THE STICKIES AND ALL THE LINKS IN MY SIG THOROUGHLY.

We've spent hundreds of hours on those damn things so we don't have to answer the same noob questions over and over and over and over again.

Please be a responsible net citizen.


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: bmw mads on October 26, 2015, 08:41:15 PM
No soldering required for OBD flash.

For bootmode, you do need a momentary though.

AGAIN, PLEASE READ ALL THE STICKIES AND ALL THE LINKS IN MY SIG THOROUGHLY.

We've spent hundreds of hours on those damn things so we don't have to answer the same noob questions over and over and over and over again.

Please be a responsible net citizen.

i will have to try something to tell anything back right.. if peopel gets tried of same nob q. then dont answer then. i aspect i then after some time wll seach harder i think. :-) dont you think thx for all nfo. i report back later if i dont got i damos for my ecu


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: Lost on October 26, 2015, 11:57:11 PM


The K line is ALREADY connected to your obd; but some old S4's have issues with the cluster interfering, you may have to pull the cluster fuse or disconnect the cluster to flash over obd.
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Sure, i was thinking one step ahead. If he`s gonna do some logging - it`s good to have cluster working.


Title: Re:
Post by: Chris1982 on October 27, 2015, 11:25:10 AM
I always flashing C box via Galetto in boot mode. Most of this boxes are not flashable via the OBD plug. I tried it also without the the dash fuse... Galetto works every time.


Title: Re:
Post by: nyet on October 27, 2015, 11:30:05 AM
I always flashing C box via Galetto in boot mode. Most of this boxes are not flashable via the OBD plug. I tried it also without the the dash fuse... Galetto works every time.

Ugh. If that's the case, he's best off moving off the C-box to something more civilized.


Title: Re:
Post by: prj on October 27, 2015, 12:53:27 PM
Ugh. If that's the case, he's best off moving off the C-box to something more civilized.
Nothing to do with the ECU.


Title: Re:
Post by: nyet on October 27, 2015, 12:54:48 PM
Nothing to do with the ECU.

Bad/missing kline?


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: bmw mads on October 27, 2015, 09:09:37 PM
oki real strange--

i try again with the kess and still same error so i tryed my fgtech v54 over obd and i pick first the protokol with the chip i know is in side 29400BB type. it read id on car but said it was 400BT -- change driver. error ID400 Flasch OK. so then i tryed me7. audi s4 but that was for 800BB again it id chip.but said change driver. so i tryed to find any model with 400BT but then it can´t read id on car. volt is showing 12.6 v in fgtech and not 1.98v as the kess do. now i also have a foto of the ecu here can any one tell if is good, for useing the me7m/7.5.ect bech pin out for bmd i have found here on forum or use the metode with soldering 10K resitor to chip legs and use bootmode with my ktag or fgtech ? BG


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: nyet on October 27, 2015, 09:13:20 PM
Don't solder anything. Just get a bench flasher and use galletto and boot mode.


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: bmw mads on October 27, 2015, 10:01:22 PM
Don't solder anything. Just get a bench flasher and use galletto and boot mode.

i like to find away not to spent time on buying new eqiument and wait for post  to come when i got alot of good tool´s allready

i have a d-can/kkl inpa bmw cabel and will try to see if it will work with nefmoto soft. or i then will try fgtech in bootmode.

i just found out about mine is eu C/D box AGB engine code and what if different from each model. i dont no so much yet about s4 but hope it will come t me ;.)



Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: Chris1982 on October 28, 2015, 04:19:47 AM
i like to find away not to spent time on buying new eqiument and wait for post  to come when i got alot of good tool´s allready

i have a d-can/kkl inpa bmw cabel and will try to see if it will work with nefmoto soft. or i then will try fgtech in bootmode.

i just found out about mine is eu C/D box AGB engine code and what if different from each model. i dont no so much yet about s4 but hope it will come t me ;.)



So are you doing boot mode the right way?
Connect bootpin to massa, turn on power and
after 2 seconds you take away massa from yout bootpin.

Now your ECU is in bootmode.


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: bmw mads on October 29, 2015, 06:40:19 AM
So are you doing boot mode the right way?
Connect bootpin to massa, turn on power and
after 2 seconds you take away massa from yout bootpin.

Now your ECU is in bootmode.

i havent yet tryed boot mode. i only got the inpa cabel bmw. D-can . i now have try nefmoto and the pin121 12v power solution, but i get still error. whats wrong. i only have fgtech v54 but i cant find any tool boot info in help or prog folders. help me to get a step further please BG

[editors note: i fixed your post's quote tags. Please show that you can be at least a little detail oriented, or you're not going to get very far]


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: bmw mads on October 29, 2015, 06:44:34 AM
So are you doing boot mode the right way?
Connect bootpin to massa, turn on power and
after 2 seconds you take away massa from yout bootpin.

Now your ECU is in bootmode.

i havent yet tryed boot mode. i only got the inpa cabel bmw. D-can . i now have try nefmoto and the pin121 12v power solution, but i get still error. whats wrong. i only have fgtech v54 but i cant find any tool boot info in help or prog folders. help me to get a step further please BG

cant post foto in zip or jpeg

[editors note: i fixed your post's quote tags. Please show that you can be at least a little detail oriented, or you're not going to get very far]


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: bmw mads on October 29, 2015, 06:45:48 AM
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B15UaaktQABmUGdQX0J0TGlyQVU/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B15UaaktQABmeTR2TU9hb0NtSTg/view?usp=sharing

link to foto of nefmoto

[editors note: i fixed your post's quote tags. Please show that you can be at least a little detail oriented, or you're not going to get very far]


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: nyet on October 29, 2015, 09:45:52 AM
1) use print screen. Don't take a LITERAL picture of your laptop lol
2) show a bit of attention to detail when you are posting. If you are this sloppy when tuning, you're not going to get very far (i had to fix ALL THREE of your previous posts)
3) make sure immo is married or defeated entirely before flashing over obd (did you bother actually reading the error messages?)
4) is the ECU stock
5) have you tried bench flashing with NEF


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: bmw mads on October 29, 2015, 08:10:59 PM
1) use print screen. Don't take a LITERAL picture of your laptop lol
2) show a bit of attention to detail when you are posting. If you are this sloppy when tuning, you're not going to get very far (i had to fix ALL THREE of your previous posts)
3) make sure immo is married or defeated entirely before flashing over obd (did you bother actually reading the error messages?)
4) is the ECU stock
5) have you tried bench flashing with NEF

when i use mobil its slow and post out in the blu.

yes i read the errors. and the immo was only showne thies time when it chossed slow connection. then fast i get (with pin121on) the messag present not recived.

i acturly think the way all post are made and showed on i have to get use to.
(i dont have cut tool on my tuner xp pc i only use my livinroom pc win 7 thats why i had to take foto with phone)
the way i have done the setup is wiring from obd connector to ecu. and chose kpw2000.
but i when under setcion with immo off and read that. ( can i do boot mode with my inpa cabel and nefmoto bootmode )
thx for you help now i dont get this setup on bech.


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: bmw mads on November 01, 2015, 09:08:46 AM
I really  need  help to get this read out.

To day i tryed several  method  to do boot mode and non of it have worked.
Pin 62 is that ignition .? And 21 for immo.
I tryed with non power and pin24 then power - off pin24 start bootmode in nefomoto but it disconnect after tying  3 times. Then i was not abel to do id ecu on nefo program. That i was abel to before boot mode was tryed. I also was abel to delete the dtc codes. But it still then wouldn't  read ecu. I then tryed in can with negative pool off and key on pin24 on power on oin24 off and read but it disconnected  again.  I have i vagscan handhold device  and se it use iso 9041 protocol  and paste kwp2000. So i then tryed useing the me7_095040 program but it will not open on my xp or win7 pc. It starts Sortly and closes Again. I tryed comado promt and run me7_095040 --help as described. But comando not understod. What can i do ? 


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: armageddon on November 01, 2015, 12:40:31 PM
nefmoto can not be used on boot mode

you have to use galleto or other program


me7_095040 has to be used by cmd


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: nyet on November 01, 2015, 02:52:38 PM
bootmode in nefomoto

You're fucking killing me.

http://s4wiki.com/wiki/Tuning#Flashing_utilities

"The Nefmoto Free ECU Flashing Software and an eBay USB VAG KKL cable - The easiest and best supported method. Does not rely on boot mode, but will not flash bricked ECUs because bootmode support is not complete. "

Sigh



Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: nyet on November 01, 2015, 02:54:49 PM
i dont have cut tool on my tuner xp pc

That isn't possible.


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: bmw mads on November 01, 2015, 09:53:53 PM
nefmoto can not be used on boot mode

you have to use galleto or other program


me7_095040 has to be used by cmd


why the hek is there so an bottom with boot mode if it cant use it ? humm what is the boot mode sellection in nefmoto then to?

i dont think this ecu will be read at all actuly becours i have try manny programs now but only id the ecu i can in all of them.

is there a guide on this forum to use the me7_95040 ?

the nefmoto and my inpa cabel D-can K works fine. an when i connect 9600buadrade is conneting up and right NAME on car so on but after a couppel of seks is dissonct it self or if i do reading ecu is said reading 100% fail.

all your fine wiki links and so on i have read the last week and also 5 times but STILL it anit working at all,  why can i find videos with nefmoto and boot mode on youtube?

i dont think it can kpw2000 now that the vagscan only can by iso 91041 i mean it was or similary it was not 95040 so maby chip has to get out on this EU box.
i also tried the pin121 immo also. also tryed on can to read out with nefmoto and key but still same error as all time

so just putting up link to someting that dont work is not killing help i think! i no you try to say same thing but its not working and i dont think wiring or my cabel or program  is the problem here at all. 


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: ddillenger on November 01, 2015, 09:56:04 PM
You are making this complicated. Bootmode read/write that ecu.

Done.


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: nyet on November 01, 2015, 09:57:32 PM
There are two different nv devices on the ecu. One is the eeprom, the other is the flash.

Stop screwing around.


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: bmw mads on November 01, 2015, 09:59:32 PM
nefmoto can not be used on boot mode

you have to use galleto or other program


me7_095040 has to be used by cmd

cmd is comamdo promt in dennish. but still if i run it i just closes again quickly cannt even se whats it saids in text before it shouts down. wich derektion is the exe. going to. C: or programs / programfiles / desscop ? them i open it and run me7_95040 is worng comando i think this is only way to read it out if it can ?


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: nyet on November 02, 2015, 11:41:40 AM
cmd is comamdo promt in dennish. but still if i run it i just closes again quickly cannt even se whats it saids in text before it shouts down.
Not possible. The cmd window should not close unless you close it or type exit, unless you aren't actually running a cmd window, but rather double clicking on Me7_95040. Which are you doing?

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wich derektion is the exe. going to. C: or programs / programfiles / desscop ? them i open it and run me7_95040 is worng comando

Please provide a copy/paste of what you are seeing in the cmd window. Do not send a screen shot.

Type "dir" in the directory you are in to make sure the exe is there.

Please read this carefully:
http://dosprompt.info/

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i think this is only way to read it out if it can ?

Read what out? The eeprom or the flash?


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: armageddon on November 02, 2015, 03:16:49 PM
what you need is well covered on the stickies in this forum.

to read flash you can use galleto

you will find all you need in these stickies:

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3088.0title=

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=417.0title=


to read eeprom use me7_95040 tool.

put me7_95040.exe on user folder > click windowns start an type "cmd" > open cmd


(http://s28.postimg.org/6k3yon9ul/image.png) (http://postimage.org/)


type me7_95040 > press enter


(http://s14.postimg.org/ps0f5a935/image.png) (http://postimage.org/)


and then follow the steps

(http://s24.postimg.org/hy717mtad/image.png) (http://postimage.org/)



but before all this, read, read and read a little more


Title: Re: help to id ecu from audi s4 265hp
Post by: bmw mads on November 03, 2015, 06:44:45 PM
THX m8 fine guide.  :) i have now got it read out  my new ktag did the job like chrame. thanks for all your help to getting it in my a bit slower part of the body :-)