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« on: August 22, 2012, 12:54:58 PM »

I've been running a tweaked version of the NOTORIOUS VR Stage 2++ tune and I keep getting kicked in and out of limp mode. Any advice on where to start ruling out hardware issues and where to modify the tune is greatly appreciated!

Current Tweaks:  Bosch MAF, lowered LDRXN, Coded out rear O2's

I'm obviously overboosting and I'm also getting a big knock spike when limp mode starts. 

During one pull of this test run I had a flashing CEL but it didn't stay on. I hadn't checked or cleared codes in a while so I can't say for sure that these happened at the same time, but my guess is that the misfires in Cyl's 4-6 happened on that pull.  Here are all the codes (some don't matter):

18058 -  Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from Instrument Cluster
        P1650 - 35-00 -   -
17866 -  Exhaust Gas Temp Sensor 2 (G236): Short to Ground
        P1458 - 35-00 -   -
18014 -  Rough Road/Engine Torque Signal from ABS: Electrical Malfunction
        P1606 - 35-10 -   - - Intermittent
17869 -  Exhaust Gas Temp Regulation for Bank 1: Implausible Signal
        P1461 - 35-10 -   - - Intermittent
16684 -  Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
        P0300 - 35-00 -   -
16688 -  Cylinder 4: Misfire Detected
        P0304 - 35-00 -   -
16690 -  Cylinder 6: Misfire Detected
        P0306 - 35-00 -   -
16689 -  Cylinder 5: Misfire Detected
        P0305 - 35-00 -   -

These graphs are over time so you can see when the limp mode kicks in.  I can't say that this log was for the same run that threw the misfires, but I could consistently get this to happen.

Boost and throttle position:


Knock - Note big knock spike at same time as overboost:



Thanks again for any advice you can give!
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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2012, 01:07:18 PM »

Probably torn wastegate lines or bad N75
 
Can clear codes and redo your log with WGDC as well? Also, run a separate log with N75 electrically disconnected.
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2012, 01:22:02 PM »

WGDC is logged in the csv file.  Here's WGDC on top of boost/time:



I'll try to get a log with the N75 unplugged in the next day or so. 

Thanks!
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2012, 01:26:19 PM »

N75 looks fine.

The PID needs to be redone for your hardware. Pull a bunch of I limit and maybe add some D

perhaps even bring wg linearization down.
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2012, 01:27:21 PM »

I believe the both "Exhaust Gas Temp Sensor and regulation" DTC`s was the problem.

These sensors breaks often.

In the last 3 years I have changed two sets (2x2) in my RS4.
In all these cases my car runs into limp mode.

17866 -  Exhaust Gas Temp Sensor 2 (G236): Short to Ground
        P1458 - 35-00 -   -

17869 -  Exhaust Gas Temp Regulation for Bank 1: Implausible Signal
        P1461 - 35-10 -   - - Intermittent
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2012, 01:32:08 PM »

Do not tune an unhealthy car.

Get those codes fixed and then go from there.
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2012, 01:36:52 PM »

2nd notion of fixing egts (or coding them out)

Sorry. I missed the fact that you didn't actually throw a deviation code.

Misfires are probably from EGT enrich.

Limp is from EGT failure.
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2012, 02:35:06 PM »

Do not tune an unhealthy car.

I couldn't agree more!  I'm hoping that the logs point to an easily fixed HW issue so I can fix and get on with the SW goodness!  :-)

Would EGT failure have any impact on the overboost? 

Anyway, I'll code out EGT's and re-log.  I have a spare set that are of unknown quality.  If coding out works, I may try throwing these in and re-enabling EGT's.  I'd rather have them as a a safety net.  Prior to running this file, I was running an APR tune that never went into limp mode like this or overboosted (although I haven't logged with it lately).  From time to time I would see EGT codes.  Perhaps APR already ignores these?

If limp then goes away and overboost remains, I'll go back to this:

The PID needs to be redone for your hardware. Pull a bunch of I limit and maybe add some D
perhaps even bring wg linearization down.

Thanks for the advice.
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2012, 03:06:27 PM »

Overboost is (probably) unrelated to EGT - separate issue... like I said your PID needs some lovin.

That said, always fix the stuff you KNOW is broken first Smiley You never know what other problems will magically go away...
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2012, 08:40:02 AM »

CLACINS = 0 for p1650 error code
code out EGT or change it.

any valve cover leak ? can cause the misfire error too if oil on spark plugs and boot
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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2012, 08:40:56 AM »

4-5-6 look a weak gasket on cover valve gasket , the rounds ones near spark plug
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