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« on: November 02, 2010, 02:37:08 PM »
Everyone on here seems to know exactly what type of ECU they are running except me. Me, in all of my optimism, thought "M"E7 ment that I had an Mbox, for which there are conveniently .xdf files for. However, I recently found out that I'm extremely wrong. So, the question is, where are you guys finding these letters? Is it in the ECU info read using Tony's Flasher? For example:

8D0907551M  being an "Mbox"

I have a 2001 Audi TT 225, and if this above is true then my 8N0906018K would mean I have a K box and I have not heard any talk of K boxes on here, so i hope this is wrong too. Please someone point me in the right direction.

There should be a noob forum specifically for my questions... all you guys are like balls deep in this "oh, just data-offset this and reverse encrypt that" and I'm like "what kind of computer do I have?" Seems like we are in two different worlds. But, I'm asking questions that future noobs are going to want to know...
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2010, 04:34:58 AM »
When dumping a flash file you will find different identification strings, e.g.
Bosch HW number:        0261206776
Bosch SW number:        1037360855
VAG part number:         4B0907551G  (displayed as VAG Number on VCDS)
VAG software version:   0002

Short names like e.g. "Mbox" and "CHbox" make only sense when knowing which
type of engine is talked about.  So the terms "Abox", "Cbox", "Mbox" used often here
are naming different hw/sw versions for the 2.7T engine in the Audi S4
with VAG part number 8D0907551x.
Be aware that part numbers ending on the same letter, e.g. 8D0907551G and
4B0907551G for 2.7T, do not imply the same software version, so a "Gbox" description
file will match the 8D0907551G ECU but not necessary the 4B0907551G.

You have a completely different engine and different ECU (1.8T, ME7.5), so the
description files (.xdf or damos/asap) of the 2.7T will not be useable for you.
In your flash file you will find an EPK-String like 
"/1/ME7.5/5/4018.00//24D/Dst02o/190602//",  when you find a description (damos/asap)
file containing the same EPK, you found a matching one and should be very happy  Wink.

Nevertheless, the general information about the ME7-system discussed here will be
valid also for you engine/ecu.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2010, 03:51:15 PM »
Thank you very much. This pretty much explains everything I needed to learn. If anyone has any suggestions where to find 1.8t ME7.5 stuff please let me know. I haven't looked yet... time to put google to work. *<--best stuff i found so far (for a TT) was Tony's .ols files.*

Since this forum seems to be mostly about the 2.7, should I post my findings about the 1.8? As in, if I find all the info I need and start tuning, should i be posting my results and so on or should I leave this forum stictly 2.7? Don't want to be confusing people or filling the forum full of irrelivant stuff... but then again, all of my tuning research led me here, and I'm sure other 1.8 guys too.
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2010, 05:47:56 AM »
Quote from: warpedhalo on November 03, 2010, 03:51:15 PM
Thank you very much. This pretty much explains everything I needed to learn. If anyone has any suggestions where to find 1.8t ME7.5 stuff please let me know. I haven't looked yet... time to put google to work. *<--best stuff i found so far (for a TT) was Tony's .ols files.*

Since this forum seems to be mostly about the 2.7, should I post my findings about the 1.8? As in, if I find all the info I need and start tuning, should i be posting my results and so on or should I leave this forum stictly 2.7? Don't want to be confusing people or filling the forum full of irrelivant stuff... but then again, all of my tuning research led me here, and I'm sure other 1.8 guys too.

I think this forum should grow. No need to limit the knowledge gathered here.
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2010, 01:38:12 PM »
Well, in that case, what I've gathered so far has been that I have a ME7.5 K-box (8N0906018K). I have not found any definition files for it, so I am going to figure it all out by using WinOLS, the fbox definitions from tony, and an original fbox file I found online. If anyone else is in a similar situation, the files are attached...

The random one that isn't labled as an fbox is the .bin to a kbox.

Also, I noticed that some of you were talking about flashing, say an x-box with the .bin from say an m-box. And had mentioned that it should be ok... but I can't remember the exact two talked about. Would this be a list of such compatible ECUs? Even if so... my car is in its own group Sad but I had not run accross this list before and thoght I would ask. Apparently it's APR's software list or something. Includes the 2.7, so if this list could help someone awesome, if it's common knowledge or garbage let me know and I'll delete it.
 
VAG100
VW Golf,Jetta NA MY2002 1.8T 06A906032HS S0006
VW Golf,Jetta NA MY2002 6-spd 1.8T 06A906032ML S0001
VW Golf,Bora EURO MY2002 1.8T 06A906032HJ S0002
VW Golf,Bora EURO MY2003 1.8T 06A906032KP S0203
VW Golf,Bora EURO MY2001 1.8T 06A906032EN S0002
VW Golf,Jetta NA MY2002 Auto 1.8T 180hp 06A906032HF S0005
Audi A3, Seat Leon Cupra EURO MY2002 1.8T 180hp 06A906032HN S0001
Audi A3, Seat Leon Cupra EURO MY2002 1.8T 06A906032HK S0002
Audi A3, Seat Leon Cupra EURO MY2003 1.8T 06A906032HR S0001
Audi A3, Seat Leon Cupra EURO MY2002 1.8T 06A906032HP S0001
Audi TT NA MY2002 1.8T 180HP 8N0906018AL S0004
Audi TT EURO MY2001 1.8T 180hp 8N0906018AQ S0001
Audi TT EURO MY2002 1.8T 180HP 8N0906018AM S0001
Audi TT EURO MY2003 1.8T 180HP 8N0906018AP S0001

VAG101
VW New Beetle EURO MY2002 1.8T 06A906032LS S4529
VW New Beetle EURO MY2002 1.8T 06A906032LR S4525
VW New Beetle NA MY2003 1.8T 06A906032KR S4527

VAG102
VW Golf,Jetta NA MY2003 1.8T 06A906032LP S0005
VW Golf,Jetta NA MY2003 Auto 1.8T 06A906032LQ S0005


VAG103
VW Golf,Jetta NA MY2003 1.8T 06A906032PL S0003

VAG104
VW Golf,Jetta,Bora NA MY2001 5-spd. 1.8T 06A906032DL S0003
VW Golf,Jetta NA MY2001 5-spd 1.8T 06A906032GH S0002
VW Golf,Bora EURO MY2001 5-spd 1.8T 06A906032DR S0003
VW Golf,Bora EURO MY2001 5-spd 1.8T 06A906032KE S0001
VW Golf,Bora EURO MY2002 1.8T 06A906032EP S0001

VAG105
VW New Beetle NA MY2000 1.8T 5spd 06A906032C S3077
VW New Beetle NA MY2000 1.8T Auto 06A906032A S3157
VW New Beetle EURO MY2000 1.8T 5spd 06A906032CK S3099

VAG106
VW Golf,Jetta NA MY2000 1.8T 06A906032CL S0004
VW Golf,Jetta NA MY2000 1.8T Auto 06A906032CM S0005

VAG107
Audi TT EURO MY1999-2000 1.8T 180HP 8N0906018A S0010

VAG108
VW New Beetle NA MY1999.5 1.8T 5spd 06A906032E S2730

VAG109
Audi S3 EURO MY2000 1.8T 210HP 8L0906018N S0002
Audi TT EURO MY2000 1.8T 225HP Quattro 8L0906018M S0002

VAG110
Audi TT NA MY2001 1.8T 180HP Quattro 8N0906018L S0003
Audi TT EURO MY2002 1.8T 225HP Quattro 8N0906018H S0004
Audi TT EURO MY2002 1.8T 225HP Quattro 8N0906018AH S0004
Audi S3 EURO MY2001 1.8T 210HP 8N0906018J S0003
Audi S3 EURO MY2001 1.8T 210HP 8N0906018AG S0003
Audi S3 EURO MY2002 1.8T 225HP 8N0906018BH S0001
Audi S3 EURO MY2002 1.8T 225HP 8N0906018BJ S0001
Seat Leon Cupra R MY2002 1.8T 210bhp 1ML906032 S0001
Audi A3, Skoda Octavia RS EURO MY2001 1.8T 180hp 06A906032BJ S0002
Seat Leon Cupra R MY2003 1.8T 210bhp 1ML906032A S0001

VAG111
Audi TT EURO MY2003 1.8T 225HP Quattro 8N0906018CB S0003
Audi TT EURO MY2003 1.8T 225HP Quattro 8N0906018CC S0002
Audi S3 EURO MY2003 1.8T 225HP Quattro 8N0906018BQ S0002
Audi S3 EURO MY2003 1.8T 225HP Quattro 8N0906018BP S0002

VAG112
Audi TT NA MY2003 1.8T 225HP Quattro 8N0906018BB S0002
Audi TT EURO MY2003 1.8T 225HP Quattro 8N0906018BE S0002

VAG113
Audi TT NA MY2001 1.8T 225HP Quattro 8N0906018K S0003

VAG114
Seat Ibiza Cupra R EURO MY2001 1.8T 180hp 6K0906032AB S0001
Seat Ibiza Cupra EURO MY2000 1.8T 6K0906032 S0002


VAG115
Audi TT NA MY2004 1.8T 225HP Quattro 8N0906018CJ S0001
VW Golf,Jetta NA MY2004 1.8T 06A906032NK S0003
VW Golf,Jetta NA MY2004 1.8T 06A906032NL S0003

VAG116
Audi TT NA MY2000 1.8T 180HP Quattro 8N0906018S S0007
Audi TT NA MY2000 1.8T 180HP FWD 8N0906018M S0006


VAG117
Seat Ibiza FR EURO MY2004 1.8T 150hp 06A906032QN S0010


VAG120
Audi S4 NA MY2001 2.7T 6-spd Manual 8D0907551M S0001/S0002
Audi S4 NA MY2001 2.7T Tiptronic 8D0907551L S0001

VAG121
Audi S4 NA MY2000 2.7T 8D0907551A S0003
Audi A6 NA MY2000 2.7T 6-spd 4B0907551K


VAG122
Audi S4 NA MY2002 2.7T 8D0907551T S0003
Audi S4 NA MY2002 2.7T Tip 8D0907551AA S0003

VAG123
Audi S4 NA MY2001 2.7T Tiptronic 8D0907551J S0003
Audi S4 NA MY2001 2.7T 6spd Manual 8D0907551H S0003


VAG124
Audi RS6 NA MY2003 4.2 Twin Turbo 4D1907558D S0002

VAG125
Audi S4 EURO MY2000 2.7T 6-spd Manual 8D0907551D S0002

VAG126
Audi S4 EURO MY1998 2.7T 8D0907551C S0002

VAG127
Audi AllRoad NA MY2001 2.7T 6-spd 4Z7907551 S0003
Audi AllRoad NA MY2001 2.7T Tip 4Z7907551K S0002
Audi AllRoad EURO MY2002 2.7T Tip 4Z7907551D S0002
Audi AllRoad EURO MY2002 2.7T 4Z7907551H S0002
Audi A6 EURO MY2001 2.7T 4B0907551S S0001
Audi A6 EURO MY2001 2.7T 4B0907551AD S0001
Audi A6 NA MY2001 2.7T 6-spd 4B0907551AA S0001
Audi A6 NA MY2001 2.7T Tip 4B0907551T S0001

VAG128
Audi RS4 EURO MY2003 2.7T 8D0907551F S0001 (should read "MY2001", I believe)

VAG130
VW Passat NA MY2003 1.8T 4B0906018DL S0001
VW Passat NA MY2003 1.8T 4B0906018DH S0002

VAG131
VW Passat NA MY2003 1.8T 4B0906018DA S0006

VAG132
Audi A4 EURO MY2002 1.8T 8E0906018B S0004

VAG135
Audi A4 EURO MY2002 1.8T 8E0909518AH S0002

VAG136
Audi A4 NA MY2002 1.8T 8E0909518F S0001
VAG136A Audi A4 NA MY2002 1.8T 8E0909518F S0002

VAG137
Audi A6 NA MY2004 2.7T 4Z7907551S S0010

VAG138
Audi A4 EURO MY2002 1.8T 8E0909518P S0001.bin

VAG139
Audi A4 EURO MY2004 1.8T 8E0909518AT S0003

VAG140
Audi S4 NA MY2004 4.2L 6spd Manual 8E0910560A S0020

VAG141
VW Golf R32 EURO MY2003 3.2L 022906032CP S0001

VAG142
VW Golf,R32 NA MY2003 3.2L 022906032EG S5626

VAG143
VW Golf,Jetta NA MY2003 VR6 24V 022906032CS S0004

VAG144
Audi TT EURO MY2004 3.2L 250HP Quattro 022906032DP S0006
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2010, 09:09:36 PM »
So, apparently the .ols file is an original flash + map names? So I do not load them seperately as I would in TunerPro? But... I don't read German!!! So this file is almost useless to me... on to looking for an english .ols for an me7.5... BTW, is WinOlS going to find the important maps? I noticed that it'll only find like 40 of these maps and there are a ton of them on here. Will I need to worry about the ones not found to tune? I assume so, but hope not...
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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2010, 01:47:37 AM »
So... I have been playing with WinOLS for quite a while now, and I'm positive that this whole identifying maps thing is above my abilities. None of the "potential maps" even make any sense. In 3d they're just a plain of random spikes all over... what could that possibly be? So... to anyone that's good at this that would like to make a quick buck, I'm a potential customer. Or any advice on someone that may be interested... please point me in the right direction. Maybe PM me about other people. I'd very much appreciate it!
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2010, 05:40:58 PM »
A couple of things.

First, we are all about reverse engineering ALL that we can find. I have an A4 2001.5 CHbox and a 2000 S4 with an Abox. In the context of the discussion I know what people are talking about as was mentioned above, other than that it would be just plain confusing. But the point is that we want it ALL, all that we can get! Learning junkies and motor-geeks!

Second, this sort of stuff is not exactly easy to do. WIth the ME7 things are easier now but they did not used to be... I recommend that you look for some open literature on other more open ECUs and learn from there. OpenECU.org is a good resource. You can apply what you learn directly to this.

And finally, spikes at random mean you probably have a bad bin and definition file combination... They should look somewhat ordered, no matter what maps they are. Nature does not like "jumps" and nor do cars.
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