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« Reply #60 on: August 27, 2013, 09:49:09 AM »

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« Reply #61 on: August 28, 2013, 09:10:25 AM »

Mechanics check turbo and wastegate, looks like it not mechanic issue. Maybe bigger injectors needed for this setup ?
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« Reply #62 on: August 28, 2013, 10:45:54 AM »

Have you found the "load threshold for turbo overcharge cutoff" table?  Looking at SW358127 from an Audi A3 1.8T M382, the load thresholds look suspiciously close to what you're hitting.  You seem to cut just past 5500RPM, when the threshold goes down.  See the following link for example tables, yours may or may not be at the same address or have the same values.  If you can't find these tables, post your binary and I'll try.  May or may not be able to, but I'll take the challenge either way Smiley

(this is from file with signature D014B0907557B  1.8L R4/5VT MOTR    D020261204806103735812755/1/M3.82/05/400700/DAMOS30N/30N03-S/30N0302-S/170997)
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« Reply #63 on: August 28, 2013, 01:09:12 PM »

This maps (KFLUL.0 and KFLUL.1) was raised to max 12.75 value in first attempt, and also KFMLDMX  was upped but it not help  Cry
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« Reply #64 on: August 29, 2013, 09:43:07 AM »

Ah, my bad, I see you indicated that a few posts back, sorry.

The only remaining parameters I see that might be worth toying with:
TATMSA Abgastemperatur bei Schubabschneiden -- Exhaust gas temperature for fuel cut
TLKLN    tL - Klopfschutzschwelle -- tL Knock protection threshold

The first, I'm not very sure about.  Some of the Motronic ECUs use a temperature model to compute theoretical exhaust temperature.  If you reached a condition where it thought the temp exceeded the limit for fuel cut, this may have something to do with your problem?  It could also have to do with EGR -- Not sure if these cars have an EGR temperature sensor, it may relate to that instead of computed EGT.

The second is a load limit when knocking is active.  It's possible you are knocking and due to this the ECU is trying to reduce load.  Long shot, though.

Also, I notice your injection time flatlines at 16.32 in your data log output?  I hope that's just an artifact of some invalid logging and not a reflection of actual injection time?

I assume you found valid data in the KFLUL maps before altering them, such that you are sure the address isn't different in your specific binary, correct?  I've been bit by this before!

... Just some ideas Smiley
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« Reply #65 on: August 29, 2013, 10:35:30 AM »

Thanks for interest and helping.
Yes, I'm 100% sure I found correct KFLUL maps. And I logged knocking, and there was no knocking, must be something else.
I'm interesting to about flat injectors opening time from load 7ms and till cut. There for I ask maybe bigger injectors will be salvation ?
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« Reply #66 on: August 29, 2013, 10:07:37 PM »

Cheers Smiley

Well, I'm not sure why it'd max out at 16ms.  Maybe there's a maximum injection time I'm not familiar with?  16ms seems pretty short as a limit.  Wonder if there's a map that's correlating load or MAF to injection time?  Still pawing over M3.8, mainly for fun, I don't even own one of these cars.  Never know, I like small displacement turbo motors, so.. curious Smiley

How big are the injectors?


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« Reply #67 on: August 30, 2013, 05:06:32 AM »

Cheers Smiley
Well, I'm not sure why it'd max out at 16ms.  Maybe there's a maximum injection time I'm not familiar with?  16ms seems pretty short as a limit.  Wonder if there's a map that's correlating load or MAF to injection time?  Still pawing over M3.8, mainly for fun, I don't even own one of these cars.  Never know, I like small displacement turbo motors, so.. curious Smiley
How big are the injectors?

From the info I have read and the logs that I have 16.32ms is a logging limit that ECU shows but not the max injection time that it is really applying. I don't know if anyone can confirm this or have more info about it.
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« Reply #68 on: September 02, 2013, 04:30:04 AM »

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Lastschwelle für Turbo-Überladeabschneiden + 2
And check you are not running in the limiter.. Smiley
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« Reply #69 on: September 02, 2013, 06:20:31 AM »

This maps (KFLUL.0 and KFLUL.1) was raised to max 12.75 value in first attempt, and also KFMLDMX  was upped but it not help  Cry
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« Reply #70 on: October 10, 2013, 02:33:13 PM »

Friends a doubt:
I have seen many people talking about injectors & FPR scaling/adjustment for bigger/ different injectors/FPR in M38x/M592 using FGATO (Injection Correction Factor) and/or KHFM (Injector Constant), then please could elaborate the difference between both and/or how are related?
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« Reply #71 on: October 10, 2013, 04:20:27 PM »

FGATO => fuel multiplier (you change the injetors flow to ECU)

KHFM => MAF multiplier (you change the g/s ECU think MAF are indicating)
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« Reply #72 on: October 10, 2013, 04:30:13 PM »

I keep waiting for that "O SHIT" moment when earlier motronic makes sense.

It hasn't come yet.
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« Reply #73 on: October 11, 2013, 04:50:24 AM »

If you analize it backwards (taking ME7 as an start point) you never get it.

Everything is much more simple as the ECU just wait for the incoming air, measure it and take apropriated actions... diferent from ME7 that before TBI even open ECU knows "exactly" how much air, TBI angle, fuel quantity, ignition angle, etc will take to reach torque required by drivers pedal position.
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« Reply #74 on: October 11, 2013, 08:42:01 AM »

If you analize it backwards (taking ME7 as an start point) you never get it.
Everything is much more simple as the ECU just wait for the incoming air, measure it and take apropriated actions... diferent from ME7 that before TBI even open ECU knows "exactly" how much air, TBI angle, fuel quantity, ignition angle, etc will take to reach torque required by drivers pedal position.

That's right but some documentation will be good. I only have pieces of info but not something from Bosch like the ME7 Function Document.
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