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« on: July 18, 2019, 12:46:29 AM »

Hello guys,

I would like to make a thread of learning how to tune a stage 2 1.8t, hoping that it will also be usefull for others as it will be for me with your suggestions Cheesy
I`ve been working for like 2 years on my 2002 Skoda Octavia MK I vRS (AUQ engine code) and i am now soo close to stage 2.
Current engine mods are:
- 76mm (3inch) turbo-back exhaust
- 550x230x63 front mounted intercooler with 63mm (2.5inch) piping
- Forge 008 diverter valve
- Deatschwerks DW65V in-tank fuel pump
- 317cc stock injectors (0280156061)
- Honda S2000 air filter + 63mm aluminium turbo intake pipe
- Ultimate delete (brake booster, N249, SAI pump, etc.)
- Stock K03S turbo
Dyno of current setup is attached.
Since i dont have stronger Forge actuator, i guess that with this setup a remap should get my car to 230-235 hp.
Ps: Stock file is attached.

Step 1:
HW: 0261207440
SW: 1037363908
SW upg.: 06A906032HN 0002
As i got bigger injectors (BAM 0280156063, 386cc) new, for a good price, i started learning the basics of me7.5 and chiptuning by adapting those.
For this adaptation i understood that there are 5 things that need to be attended:
-KRKTE (Stock: 0.10311 Modded:0.08322)
-TVUB (replaced stock values with the TT 225hp ones): 1.7413 1.1387 0.8107 0.5973 0.4427
-TEMIN (same values, no need to touch this)
-TEMINVA (same values, no need to touch this)
-FKKVS -> This needs the most attention. I`ve started from the stock ones, log (via me7logger) and correct via FKKVS fixer, modified map, log again, FKKVS fixer, modified map, etc.

I`ve also attended the following:
-N249 (please dont bash about this, i`ve read the forums  ), J299, N112, Cat disable:
->AA FF 00 30 FF F8 30 changed to AA FF 00 F0 FF FB FC (ULT SLV SLP LSHHK set to 11)

-Catalyst Heating disabled:
->FKHABMN_0: 0.8 -> 0
->FKHABMN_1: 0.8 -> 0

PS: Current file is attached.

Step 2:
I guess this is adding more power.
This is where i think i have to take it slow. I understood roughly what i need to touch in the software but i still have to learn some more.
I`ll be waiting for suggestions! If you can please guide me to have an easy approach (maybe targeting like 210hp first)


Thank you in advance for your support!
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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2019, 05:51:05 AM »

Same as other me7 community stage 2 threads here

As for hw
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76mm (3inch) turbo-back exhaust
- 550x230x63 front mounted intercooler with 63mm (2.5inch) piping
- Forge 008 diverter valve
- Deatschwerks DW65V in-tank fuel pump
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Huge lag with tiny turbo
Useless
Also not neccesary. Stock fp enough for a stock turbo and even for a k04

Also you do not need a tighter wg and tt225 injectors
First will give you headache with pid with no noticeable power gain but with a high egt, iat and a overspooling conditions brings you to extensive wear and cracks of turbo and manifold
Second also has no effort due to 4 bar fpr with stock ones can holds up these things well

Raise ldrxn to 165 @3000 with tapering to a 130@redline
Raise kfldhbn and kfmldmx,  play with kfzw and you're good to go,  no need for those 300hp mods with a stock turbo.
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2019, 07:53:28 AM »

Huge lag with tiny turbo
Useless
Also not neccesary. Stock fp enough for a stock turbo and even for a k04
Also you do not need a tighter wg and tt225 injectors
First will give you headache with pid with no noticeable power gain but with a high egt, iat and a overspooling conditions brings you to extensive wear and cracks of turbo and manifold
Second also has no effort due to 4 bar fpr with stock ones can holds up these things well
Raise ldrxn to 165 @3000 with tapering to a 130@redline
Raise kfldhbn and kfmldmx,  play with kfzw and you're good to go,  no need for those 300hp mods with a stock turbo.
Hello, fukenbroken,
Thanks a lot for your feedback, i get your point!
My car was completely stock and everytime i`ve changed something (either broken or needing to upgrade anyway) i prefered to use "stronger" parts, so i would not limit myself to this tiny k03s.
Plan is to get GT28 in like 2 years. So because of this, i thought that oversizing all my components will make my current setup work seamlessly (although it involves a little lag, bigger costs and headaches) and will be easier to get a GT28 mounted since i will only adapt small portions of IC piping, Downpipe, etc.

After installing the 386cc injectors i`ve observed an increase in fuel consumption efficiency. Could it be real? Since i saw that KVB should be touched only if really big injectors or higher pressure FPR.

Also, regarding your tuning suggestion, shouldnt i also touch KFMIRL/KFMIOP, LAMFA ?

PS: I`ve also attached my current map, as i couldnt do it in my 1st post.
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2019, 08:02:48 AM »

Kvb should be tuned anyway. That's the reason you've seen slightly less fuel consumption
As for iop irl yes if you're going higher ldrxn than I've posted before
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2019, 08:28:34 AM »

I see, then i`ll try to do as you`ve suggested since i`m a newb and check how things are going.
If everything is OK i`ll aim for LDRXN = 195 (1.2-1.3 bar i guess) and also adapt the rest of maps/parameters as i start understanding more and more.
Thanks again! Kiss
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2019, 01:15:39 PM »

Hello,
While doing logs with my 2nd set of improved FKKVS values, i observed an issue that was also present with the 1st set of improved FKKVS.
At arround 210km/h, 5th gear, ~5800rpm, my car hesitates (its felt like a "brrrr" for 1-2 seconds) and then continues pulling nicely up to 240-245km/h.
After checking the logs i`ve observed "fr_w" Lambda Control parameter goes to 1.25, this is tied to high speeds/high gear and tevfakge_w going over 19 ms.
Also if i`m not wrong, and "fr_w" is actually Lambda, shouldnt it be close to 0.85 at high loads?
Can you guys please give an opinion?

I`ve attached the logs.

Thanks!
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2019, 01:41:33 PM »

Same as other me7 community stage 2 threads here

As for hwUseless
Huge lag with tiny turbo
Useless
Also not neccesary. Stock fp enough for a stock turbo and even for a k04

Also you do not need a tighter wg and tt225 injectors
First will give you headache with pid with no noticeable power gain but with a high egt, iat and a overspooling conditions brings you to extensive wear and cracks of turbo and manifold
Second also has no effort due to 4 bar fpr with stock ones can holds up these things well

Raise ldrxn to 165 @3000 with tapering to a 130@redline
Raise kfldhbn and kfmldmx,  play with kfzw and you're good to go,  no need for those 300hp mods with a stock turbo.

intercoorler its good and need ...
stock not enough many times IAT over 80°c stock side cooler

dw65v need because old fuel pump very old and not enough flow
and buy new one not problem buy better than stock

bigger exhaust need new WG
and good bigger injector because stock good aprox 220hp max

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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2019, 03:48:40 PM »

Hello,
While doing logs with my 2nd set of improved FKKVS values, i observed an issue that was also present with the 1st set of improved FKKVS.
At arround 210km/h, 5th gear, ~5800rpm, my car hesitates (its felt like a "brrrr" for 1-2 seconds) and then continues pulling nicely up to 240-245km/h.
After checking the logs i`ve observed "fr_w" Lambda Control parameter goes to 1.25, this is tied to high speeds/high gear and tevfakge_w going over 19 ms.
Also if i`m not wrong, and "fr_w" is actually Lambda, shouldnt it be close to 0.85 at high loads?
Can you guys please give an opinion?

I`ve attached the logs.

Thanks!
fr_w is lambda correction (stft) , if its going lean , things are bad. Check your req afr and actual.
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2019, 01:11:08 AM »

fr_w is lambda correction (stft) , if its going lean , things are bad. Check your req afr and actual.
Could NOLRA 7 be the cause of it? As I understood so far, this only affects long fuel trim at idle.  Huh

Also, can you please tell me  the required AFR and actual AFR tags so i can check it out? i am not sure which they are.
Edit: found it
lamsbg_w         ;{AirFuelRatioDesired}              ; {Lambdasoll Begrenzung (word)}
lamsoni_w        ;{AirFuelRatioCurrent}              ; {Lambda-Istwert}

Thanks!
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2019, 05:55:32 AM »

I just wrote the last improved FKKVS + default NOLRA 4 and things are soo messed up.
AFR goes up from 0.75 to 2 while fr_w jumps from 1 to 1.25.
While this happnes, i feel a lack of power, engine is running rough (like its limited), small pops can be heard through exhaust (like diesel pop-corn limiter).
You can hear/see these things in the below youtube videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF0V3p_S2S0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo2eLVRqCPM

At this point my mind is blown away, i am not sure if this is a software issue or some kind of mechanical one. Huh
Please tell me if you guys have any ideea about whats the cause of this!

I`ve also added the FKKVS current values and loggs.

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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2019, 07:15:02 AM »

Leave FKKVS and NOLRA alone and use KFLF or HFM to tweak small areas of fuel where there are issues.  You'll find the stock table is fine.

Remember it will never follow perfectly, as long as you're not requesting 12.8 and it's giving you 15.4 it's fine.
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2019, 07:20:45 AM »

Leave FKKVS and NOLRA alone and use KFLF or HFM to tweak small areas of fuel where there are issues.  You'll find the stock table is fine.

Remember it will never follow perfectly, as long as you're not requesting 12.8 and it's giving you 15.4 it's fine.
By "stock table is fine" are you refering to FKKVS?
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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2019, 08:29:10 AM »

Hello guys,

I would like to make a thread of learning how to tune a stage 2 1.8t, hoping that it will also be usefull for others as it will be for me with your suggestions Cheesy
I`ve been working for like 2 years on my 2002 Skoda Octavia MK I vRS (AUQ engine code) and i am now soo close to stage 2.
Current engine mods are:
- 76mm (3inch) turbo-back exhaust
- 550x230x63 front mounted intercooler with 63mm (2.5inch) piping
- Forge 008 diverter valve
- Deatschwerks DW65V in-tank fuel pump
- 317cc stock injectors (0280156061)
- Honda S2000 air filter + 63mm aluminium turbo intake pipe
- Ultimate delete (brake booster, N249, SAI pump, etc.)
- Stock K03S turbo
Dyno of current setup is attached.
Since i dont have stronger Forge actuator, i guess that with this setup a remap should get my car to 230-235 hp.
Ps: Stock file is attached.

Step 1:
HW: 0261207440
SW: 1037363908
SW upg.: 06A906032HN 0002
As i got bigger injectors (BAM 0280156063, 386cc) new, for a good price, i started learning the basics of me7.5 and chiptuning by adapting those.
For this adaptation i understood that there are 5 things that need to be attended:
-KRKTE (Stock: 0.10311 Modded:0.08322)
-TVUB (replaced stock values with the TT 225hp ones): 1.7413 1.1387 0.8107 0.5973 0.4427
-TEMIN (same values, no need to touch this)
-TEMINVA (same values, no need to touch this)
-FKKVS -> This needs the most attention. I`ve started from the stock ones, log (via me7logger) and correct via FKKVS fixer, modified map, log again, FKKVS fixer, modified map, etc.

I`ve also attended the following:
-N249 (please dont bash about this, i`ve read the forums  ), J299, N112, Cat disable:
->AA FF 00 30 FF F8 30 changed to AA FF 00 F0 FF FB FC (ULT SLV SLP LSHHK set to 11)

-Catalyst Heating disabled:
->FKHABMN_0: 0.8 -> 0
->FKHABMN_1: 0.8 -> 0

PS: Current file is attached.

Step 2:
I guess this is adding more power.
This is where i think i have to take it slow. I understood roughly what i need to touch in the software but i still have to learn some more.
I`ll be waiting for suggestions! If you can please guide me to have an easy approach (maybe targeting like 210hp first)


Thank you in advance for your support!

Hello friend,

FKKVS is map that exist for live calibration for fine-tuning the injection correction where needed and this map is used as the last map for the fueling, so leave it stock!
Do not forget the KVB in order to get a good fuel consumption feedback on your dash
As adam- said, KFLF or KFKHFM are the maps needed to add/remove fuel where needed, I prefer to use KFKHFM for MAF_ready cars or KFLF on MAFless cars
Keep NOLRA stock

But for a project like this only Injector calibration + injector lag times are needed, then the fueling will be perfect if the parts of your engine which are responsible for the load
calculation are in perfect condition. If MAF is tired, then just expect a mess!
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2019, 08:44:30 AM »

Hello friend,

FKKVS is map that exist for live calibration for fine-tuning the injection correction where needed and this map is used as the last map for the fueling, so leave it stock!
Do not forget the KVB in order to get a good fuel consumption feedback on your dash
As adam- said, KFLF or KFKHFM are the maps needed to add/remove fuel where needed, I prefer to use KFKHFM for MAF_ready cars or KFLF on MAFless cars
Keep NOLRA stock

But for a project like this only Injector calibration + injector lag times are needed, then the fueling will be perfect if the parts of your engine which are responsible for the load
calculation are in perfect condition. If MAF is tired, then just expect a mess!
OK, i will try to revert to stock FKKVS values.
If i have observed correctly, this issue happens if fr_w goes to 1.25 (which i dont understand why, couldnt from "Audi R4-5V T Quereinbau 132kW ME7.1 Funktionsrahment" document either), or while tevfakge_w goes over 19ms....which pulls a high value from FKKVS (like 1.26 vs 1.07 stock). Huh

MAF is new, Bosch, same code. Injectors were new, Fuel pump is new, etc.
Regarding MAF, i`ve built a bigger Turbo Intake Pipe (63mm aluminium), big cone air filter but MAF housing is oem. Are those modifications having an effect (in a bad way)? With stock injectors and stock sw i had no issue.

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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2019, 01:01:13 AM »

- Honda S2000 air filter + 63mm aluminium turbo intake pipe
If you removed the stock airbox, good luck getting fueling right.
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