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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2020, 10:59:59 PM »

Thanks for that Nyet.
And thanks for even bringing that up Justinw2646
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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2020, 11:34:41 PM »

Anyway, the ECU is somewhat set up, but just for daily use, the engine isn't being pushed hard at all as there isn't a proper Damos file found for this ECU, several people have checked already. So far my friend Frederick (he is also on this forum but i am unaware what his user is here) has setup the tune as well as he has been able to, doing it pretty much blind.

If you or yor frend have legal winols - full mappack ols project for your 0261206507 06A906032A
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=18327.msg139051#msg139051
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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2020, 03:01:46 AM »

If you or yor frend have legal winols - full mappack ols project for your 0261206507 06A906032A
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=18327.msg139051#msg139051

Cool, thank you gremlin. Will try to have a look at this. Awesome
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2020, 03:24:08 AM »

Once justinvw2646  mentioned the AWP ECU I did a bit of googleing and came upon one forum thread where they discuss the different pinouts of the different ECUs and even have added pinout diagrams, I'll add it here, maybe someone else also needs it.

Seems pretty simple, would need to bridge connection from pin3 to pin21 and do something with the variable cam adjustment, either put a resistor there or rectify that issue in the software. Haven't gone deep into it yet as I have some other things to attend to today. But seems easy enough. Altough the fan control module J293 connection is still something I don't understand, it is connected to pin61 on the APH ECU but isn't mentioned anywhere in the AWP ECU, wonder if that can be just neglected or what?

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https://forums.fourtitude.com/showthread.php?5049235-APH-AWW-AWP-AWV-wiring-harness-comparison&amp=1
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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2020, 04:05:24 AM »

Can you tell in short...
What do you want to do?

All 1.8T have same pinout. General there are 4 of kind 1.8T ecu
1. Some models till 2000 year 512 kb, narowband no ECM relay for powering 121
2. Still 512 kb, narowband but have ECM relay
3. 1kb ECU bootmode version 5.12 till about 2002-2003 year
4. 1 kb ECU bootmode version 6.12 from 2002-2003 till end of production 1.8T

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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2020, 05:26:04 AM »

Can you tell in short...
What do you want to do?

All 1.8T have same pinout. General there are 4 of kind 1.8T ecu
1. Some models till 2000 year 512 kb, narowband no ECM relay for powering 121
2. Still 512 kb, narowband but have ECM relay
3. 1kb ECU bootmode version 5.12 till about 2002-2003 year
4. 1 kb ECU bootmode version 6.12 from 2002-2003 till end of production 1.8T



1.8T 20V was produced until 2008 or so (CFMA). But yes that is good info.
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« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2020, 05:32:14 AM »

Can you tell in short...
What do you want to do?

All 1.8T have same pinout. General there are 4 of kind 1.8T ecu
1. Some models till 2000 year 512 kb, narowband no ECM relay for powering 121
2. Still 512 kb, narowband but have ECM relay
3. 1kb ECU bootmode version 5.12 till about 2002-2003 year
4. 1 kb ECU bootmode version 6.12 from 2002-2003 till end of production 1.8T



OK, so, just for information purposes, my current ECU is 512kb and it is wideband.

What do I want to do? Well I'd like to setup my ECU properly so it can be finetuned, set up nicely without any current running hickups.
As the current ECU doesn't have a "description" file then the setup/tune has been done blindly. I'd like to properly tune this ECU if possible but for that a fitting "explination" file is required which I nor other have been able to find, even the searches through this forum haven't gotten me anything, till now. Hopefully what gremlin has posted is what I need.
Because I have till now had the impression that this ECU isn't tunable any further. So I started looking into other means of getting what I need and the next idea was to swap out the ECU.

So, in very short,
I'd like to setup the car properly, by any reasonable means it takes, anyone willing to do this for me/with me is much appreciated and can contact me  Smiley but tilll then, I'll try to find out all I can. As always, my way of thinking might not be the correct way and that's why I am here on the forum to gather more information and maybe even change my way towards my goal.
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« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2020, 06:33:38 AM »

IMHO you have information on all calbration maps of the original ECU.
This is more than enough to make a quality tuning.
To see what information is in the project that I posted, download the demo version of the winols program from the EVC website
This demo can open the project for viewing.
https://www.evc.de/ftp/winols/WinOLS_Testversion.EXE
Replacing the unit will entail incompatibility problems (for AT / air conditioner/airbag modules), which will need to be solved.
Also CAN signal matrix on cars 99-00 differs from matrix used for 01+ cars and this can add incompatibility with ABS-module.
Not the fact that the ecu swap will be easier and more convenient than just customizing your original ECU normally.
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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2020, 06:42:09 AM »

Pretty sure there are no 512kb wb me7.5's out there. unless you mean standalone wbo2 gauge,which is not the same. And swap ecu if its better for you, you will spend tons of time doing stuff on original , its not worth it specially when me7's are so cheap. ( still quite unsure what it is exactly you are tryna do  Grin )
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« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2020, 07:26:33 AM »

IMHO you have information on all calbration maps of the original ECU.
This is more than enough to make a quality tuning.
To see what information is in the project that I posted, download the demo version of the winols program from the EVC website
This demo can open the project for viewing.
https://www.evc.de/ftp/winols/WinOLS_Testversion.EXE
Replacing the unit will entail incompatibility problems (for AT / air conditioner/airbag modules), which will need to be solved.
Also CAN signal matrix on cars 99-00 differs from matrix used for 01+ cars and this can add incompatibility with ABS-module.
Not the fact that the ecu swap will be easier and more convenient than just customizing your original ECU normally.

gremlin I completely agree with you. If the information you shared works with my ECU then that's all I need and happy happy days.

The confusion might be because I asked about the ECU swap, but I only asked about this because I was lead to believe there is no info available for APH ECU and an ECU swap is my only way for tuning.
I myself have no idea how to use the winOLS, I have shared the provided info with my friend, hope he can help. I myself have no clue
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« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2020, 07:29:38 AM »

Pretty sure there are no 512kb wb me7.5's out there. unless you mean standalone wbo2 gauge,which is not the same. And swap ecu if its better for you, you will spend tons of time doing stuff on original , its not worth it specially when me7's are so cheap. ( still quite unsure what it is exactly you are tryna do  Grin )

I just want the car tuned for the hardware I am running and I was lead to believe previously that an APH ECU can't be properly tuned. Hopefully the info gremlin has shared helps out with this and an ECU swap is actually not required.

May you believe it or not, my ECU is 512kb and the stock precat sensor on the car is a wideband. No aftermarket sensor on the car.
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« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2020, 07:38:42 AM »

Pretty sure there are no 512kb wb me7.5's out there.

The one who laughs last laughs well ... Grin
Learn the material part - APH ecu is unique ME7.5 512K  with WBO2!!

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« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2020, 08:34:50 AM »

The one who laughs last laughs well ... Grin
Learn the material part - APH ecu is unique ME7.5 512K  with WBO2!!



Wow my bad that is one unique ecu then, I get why you said it now, first time i've seen that.

And yeah like he said and since he posted the mappack , you can use test version of winols to basically do everything except save the bin, if you want you can make an XDF with the map adresses in TunerPro, then you can use it to save etc.
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