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« on: June 06, 2022, 11:24:10 AM »

Hi,

after a long night of logging on my new setup i had nearly perfectly 1,6bar req and actual matching pretty good.
ignition was 16degree up top.

logging the same setup today on a hotter environment, same street, same slope i have 1,4bar and wastegate is not willing to do its work to reach 1,6bar like requested.

In theory on a colder night i would need less boost because of a better O2 on my intake. On a hotter day i would need more boost to reach the same power because of a lower O2 saturation.

What could be the "problem" besides my limited knowledge. Is it related to tans or tmot? how is me7 knowing the air density or O2 content?
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2022, 11:53:15 AM »

Maybe not the problem, but i've seen N75s behave differently depending on underhood temps, and sometimes other variations.

Re: hot days, load->boost conversion variance:

https://s4wiki.com/wiki/Tuning#IAT_effect_on_specified_load_and_requested_boost

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However, if you are running a lot of boost, and always want maximum performance, there is no point in increasing boost when it is hot, let alone reducing boost when it is cold. Also, as IATs rise, even with a perfectly flat KFTARX and LDIATA (see below), you will see more requested boost because the ECU knows that a higher P/R is required for a given cylinder fill (through the ftbr correction factor). To compensate, you may want to taper KFTARX across the board as IATs rise to keep your requested boost sane. Make sure LDIATA reflects those changes properly. Alternately, in theory, you should be able to find values for FWFTBRTA such that it cancels out the fixed IAT ftbr correction.

In particular, be aware that the maximum requested boost is slightly above the maximum MAP reading. Readers who understand PIDs should recognize that really bad things happen when the measured output cannot reach the setpoint.

If you have tuned your PID to really only work with a single set of req boost curves, if the req boost changes, it may not behave well.

This is a pretty big problem, and hard to solve w/o taking another look at your PID tuning approach; alternately, just try to make boost request look the same across a variety of IATs.

BTW you'll see the same problem with elevation variance.
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2022, 12:36:26 PM »

Get a N75 from TFSI
Those from 1.8T and 2.7T change as moon change

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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2022, 02:31:24 PM »

Hi,

N75 is a brand new Pierburg 7.00470.07.0

The problem is not the output or the behaviour of my N75.
My problem is the output of the ecu to the N75.
My KFTARX is chanced to 1 up to 80 degree celsius.
Only thing i did the other night was to lower my ldrxn up to 4000. Maybe i have to up it to make the gap between boost desired and boost actual greater?

please ignore lambda and egt in my logs.

why is todays wgdc that low when going wot?
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2022, 02:54:06 PM »

Looks like IMAX trim action
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2022, 06:07:39 PM »

I have gotten more consistent boost pressure from mine by moving LDRXN up and out of the way and using KFLDHBN instead. I know the ideal way would be to use both, but I was concerned with over spinning the turbo on hot days trying to meet request. Maybe worth a try?
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2022, 08:58:17 PM »

I have gotten more consistent boost pressure from mine by moving LDRXN up and out of the way and using KFLDHBN instead. I know the ideal way would be to use both, but I was concerned with over spinning the turbo on hot days trying to meet request. Maybe worth a try?

His IMAX is moving, not his boost req
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2022, 10:27:23 PM »

Ldiata? But its pretty conservative in stock so..
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2022, 10:52:30 PM »

No, its pretty clear his imax is changing between the two runs, which isn't boost req related
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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2022, 11:40:54 PM »

Iirc ldiata is the iat based additive to imax
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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2022, 11:48:55 PM »

Show your IMX table
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2022, 11:59:37 PM »

I walked down the pre control road...
this was all done in the same night where the first log was created.
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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2022, 12:15:03 AM »

Can you show LDIATA map
Also log
STLDIA 1 2 3 4
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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2022, 05:26:09 AM »

my LDEIAO, LDEIAP, LDEIAPS and LDEIAU is chanced a bit from stock
could be related to 5120hack, i have to check my old revisions when i changed this and why

LDEIAO from 40 to 20
LDEIAP from -20 to 1270
LDEIAPS from 50 to 20
LDEIAU from -60 to 1270

 Roll Eyes

LDIATA and STLDIA is stock. What do you want me to log? I have nothing like STDIA in my logger config(s)

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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2022, 05:40:07 AM »

I mean
ldimxa_0-5
Also
Ldimx_w
And
Ldimn_w
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