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« on: October 09, 2012, 08:59:00 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF9JZc5rRqk

What all could this do in theory? Will it make DIY tuning easier on cars with MED17.5?
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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2012, 12:38:14 PM »

I would never trust a chinese clone of a tool to do med17. 

ECU's are too expensive to mess up! Buy a real tool.


MED17 is no joke to tune either, if you dont know me7 and med9 forget it.
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2012, 03:11:34 PM »

I've tuned several different cars from several different makers. This is my first Euro and I'm willing to learn.
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2012, 03:53:33 PM »

"gotta pay to play"  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2012, 06:14:34 PM »

"gotta pay to play" would be quite the opposite of "free as in beer" wouldn't it? I just need to be pointed in the proper direction.

Some more research I've done points to these being Alientech KTAG which aren't bad little flashers and are being used in several smaller tuning shops. They've got read and write capability to my ECU --what's next?
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2012, 06:50:14 PM »

the tuning shops you speak of are you using genuine tools. no those sloppy chinese knock offs.
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2012, 07:37:06 PM »

Okay. I'll buy the K-TAG from a reputable vendor then. Where do I go from there to learn? I don't see a n00bs start here section on this site.
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2012, 02:15:10 AM »

Okay. I'll buy the K-TAG from a reputable vendor then. Where do I go from there to learn? I don't see a n00bs start here section on this site.

Because if you are a n00b it is not a good idea to start with MEDC17. Start with simpler ECU's first.
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2012, 01:08:41 PM »

Because if you are a n00b it is not a good idea to start with MEDC17. Start with simpler ECU's first.

I've been tuning the ECUs in my cars for over a decade. I'm only a n00b to the wackyness that is VW.

There are several cars with ME17.5 ECUs that can be tuned with SCT, Cobb and other flash devices & software --what is it about VWs that requires such an inordinate amount of effort. I see no way that my naturally aspirated VW Golf has more going on than cars like the 2013 Focus ST or 2013 Mazda Speed. All have MED 17.5 ECUs, and yet only the VW requires a bench flash and thousands of dollars in tools. I can use an SCT XCal 3 on a Focus ST and Cobb's flasher supports the Mazda Speed.

What's going on here?
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2012, 11:52:24 PM »

So let's break it down.

For flashing you need a tool that will write your ECU.
The only one I am slightly familiar with that will do this is ByteShooter. The price with the needed module is 4900 EUR.
Some ECU's can be written with the Galletto 2 clone, but not all of them, and it can brick some of them.
I am sure there are other tools that work better than the Galletto 2 clone and are cheaper than BS that will write MEDC17.

So, let's say you have a tool that will read and write your ECU.
Next you will need to know how the ECU works and locate the required maps for tuning.
Usually leaked information about the functionality (funktionsrahmen) and the damos file are traded for money.
The older things are posted to this site as well.

This is assuming of course such information exists in the wild about your car. If it does not, it's back to basics of finding the maps.

Just out of interest. When you say "tuning" do you mean that you have used a flasher to write someone else's tunes, or have you actually made your own?
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2012, 06:35:50 AM »

I've been tuning the ECUs in my cars for over a decade. I'm only a n00b to the wackyness that is VW.

There are several cars with ME17.5 ECUs that can be tuned with SCT, Cobb and other flash devices & software --what is it about VWs that requires such an inordinate amount of effort. I see no way that my naturally aspirated VW Golf has more going on than cars like the 2013 Focus ST or 2013 Mazda Speed. All have MED 17.5 ECUs, and yet only the VW requires a bench flash and thousands of dollars in tools. I can use an SCT XCal 3 on a Focus ST and Cobb's flasher supports the Mazda Speed.

What's going on here?


It's impossible to flash later MED17 ECU's OBD, so yes they do all need flashing on the bench.  The chinese tools that do this are a joke.  I managed to recover one ECU with a genuine tool, but the other two were cooked..

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2012, 04:25:25 PM »


It's impossible to flash later MED17 ECU's OBD, so yes they do all need flashing on the bench.  The chinese tools that do this are a joke.  I managed to recover one ECU with a genuine tool, but the other two were cooked..

Rick

I was on the phone with both SCT and Cobb yesterday, and both told me that *most* MED17.5 ECU cars are tunable via the OBD2 port. Ford's 2013 Focus ST for example, can be tuned just by updating the firmware on an SCT XCal3 or 3015.

However, for whatever reason it may be; I will probably never be able to port flash this particular ECU in my 2013 Golf. So, the next questions are:

-Which tools should I buy?
-What software will be capable of reading and writing to my particular MED17.5?
-Is finding, interpreting and editing maps any easier than it used to be? Or is it back to HEX-edit with these ECUs?
-Is there a good walkthrough for an experienced DIY tuner new to the MED17.5 ECU, and new to Nefarious Motorsports?
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2012, 06:36:10 PM »

i have this one: http://magicmotorsport.com/shop/index.php/magpro2-tools/products/magk00012m.html
it works great when magic feels like not being dicks.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2012, 07:07:18 PM »

i have this one: http://magicmotorsport.com/shop/index.php/magpro2-tools/products/magk00012m.html
it works great when magic feels like not being dicks.  Roll Eyes

Did your MagPro2 come with software? And why do you call Magic Motorsport dicks?
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2012, 07:54:07 PM »

of course, software that works with the tool.
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