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« on: December 10, 2012, 11:14:38 AM »

I am starting to write my first stage 1 file for my 2003 audi a4 1.8t.  I picked up an XDF off of this board, but it does not contain a map for KFMIOP.

Am I able to adjust the KFMIRL map without editing the kfmiop aswell?  Any info would be great (please don't mind this noob question)

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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2012, 11:16:56 AM »

I am starting to write my first stage 1 file for my 2003 audi a4 1.8t.  I picked up an XDF off of this board, but it does not contain a map for KFMIOP.

Am I able to adjust the KFMIRL map without editing the kfmiop aswell?  Any info would be great (please don't mind this noob question)

Thanks,
Mike

Hi, Mike,
You will have to adjust KFMIOP otherwise you will have torque intervention and that will result in poor drivability (use my me7wizzard to generate kfmiop from kfmirl). Also you can disable torque management, but that will require more maps to be defined, so it would be easier just to find kfmiop Wink cheers
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2012, 11:48:45 AM »

After doing some more research, I realize that the KMFIOP is the inverse of the KFMIRL.  I am trying to figure out how to locate the map with WINOLS, but i am having a hell of a time.  any pointers on how to "discover" it? 
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2012, 11:49:38 AM »

post your original.
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2012, 11:56:45 AM »

This is what i am working with.  I picked up both off of the forums.  i am going to pull a .bin off of my ecu soon, but I am holding off until I finish an exam tomorrow.  I don't want to get too into this before I finish that.  I know if I pull it off,  I wont study.

Also, kompressed... your from AZ right?  Nice to see you over here.
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2012, 12:00:08 PM »

kfmiop: 17292 11x16
factor 0.001526
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2012, 12:02:02 PM »

That was quick.  Mind letting me know how you found that?  That way I dont have to ask again Tongue
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2012, 12:19:14 PM »

That was quick.  Mind letting me know how you found that?  That way I dont have to ask again Tongue

Experience Smiley

Load up a defined file that is similar to yours in winols, look at the map of interest in 2d mode and then look for a similar pattern in your own bin. Thats the easiest way.
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2012, 12:22:20 PM »

Experience Smiley

Load up a defined file that is similar to yours in winols, look at the map of interest in 2d mode and then look for a similar pattern in your own bin. Thats the easiest way.

A pattern search in IDA is quicker Wink
The quickest way is of course having already worked on the file before.
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2012, 12:34:14 PM »

A pattern search in IDA is quicker Wink
The quickest way is of course having already worked on the file before.

Ofcourse, but certainly NOT the easiest way :p
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2012, 12:44:57 PM »

Hi, Mike,
You will have to adjust KFMIOP otherwise you will have torque intervention and that will result in poor drivability (use my me7wizzard to generate kfmiop from kfmirl). Also you can disable torque management, but that will require more maps to be defined, so it would be easier just to find kfmiop Wink cheers

Please explain why, where, and how.

As for being the inverese, everyone interprets that way too literally.

IOP is torque from load
IRL is load from torque

Thats the inverse, the actual map values are not inverse.
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2012, 12:55:01 PM »

I got it working so far.  Just wondering how I link the lables, or if they even matter.  Right now I have all 0's for the axis.
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2012, 01:01:02 PM »

Please explain why, where, and how.

As for being the inverese, everyone interprets that way too literally.

IOP is torque from load
IRL is load from torque

Thats the inverse, the actual map values are not inverse.

Without changing KFMIOP load axis I couldn't boost more than ~1bar of boost... But this problem might be also connected to other maps (*_UM maps in particular). Anyway, after changing KFMIOP (also all the maps that share same load axis) AND these http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=1518.msg14433#msg14433 I had no more problems
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2012, 01:13:25 PM »

Could I use manually entered values for the axis or do I have to find the internal hex lables?
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2012, 01:15:34 PM »

Without changing KFMIOP load axis I couldn't boost more than ~1bar of boost..

I don't know of any path where the results of KFMIOP can interfere with requested boost. IIRC it can only affect timing intervention.

Am i missing something?
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