I am really disappointed with this thread, or rather many people in this thread.

The problem is that as emotions heat up, people confuse trying to educate as judgement. And as I said in my previous post "just answering the question" isn't a good idea if the person asking the question keeps ignoring what others are saying, and insisting that "they just answer the question". Of course the results aren't going to be pretty!


Speaking personally, that isn't good enough. I know nobody wants to hear this, but I do not accept arguments from authority. I accept arguments that come from logic and a good  rationale.


IMO what happened in this thread is not suprising to me.

Same old tension between "answer the question, don't tell me more" and "but you should know more".

Same old tension between "just do this, don't ask why, i know race teams that do this" and "please explain why".

Yeah I mean the champion motorsports world challenge team and the stasis WCTC team did the same, but wtf did we know?  Just multi million dollar race teams with factory audi and quattro gmbh support that won races, won series, won manufacture titles...

What i am saying is that you cant lambast people with why you think they shouldnt do something.  They are asking for help, you can either help or not help.  I didnt see him asking for advice on if he should, that decision was already made.  How do you know he isnt running after market valves?  How do you know he isnt running a race car that he plans to replace the turbo on every race (btw, that was a false statement about the Audi I5 cars anyway) how do you know that the opinion you are trying to force down his throat is even applicable?

I could say some more about how i feel about a few of you in particular right now.  but i will leave out names, you sure do talk a big game and like to down people with your so called experience a lot.  i deleted the n249 valve in 2005 when i built the worlds fastest/quickest ko4 based turbo 2.7t powered car.  those turbos didnt fail, that car ran fine, so my real world results trump your internet speculative bullshit attitude anyday.  I seriously think you are mostly all talk, you claim to be superior but i personally never heard of you before this site, i have never seen a fast car that was tuned by you so seriously lose the king of tuning attitude.

If you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all.

From my perspective (speaking as a novice who is still learning), I would like to know the rationale behind deleting the n249

it really is that simple.

I understand why it is there, but I do not understand why it should be removed.

"well x person runs it" isn't good enough for me.

Because it isnt needed, it is an added system that works well on the factory setup.  When we start to modify these cars even to moderate levels we are changing parts that may affect how it works anyway so why not remove variables and extra components that are not needed?  There is no difficulty in getting the system to work just fine without it and now you have less lines, valves and components to worry about.

This is akin to saying that people shouldnt run more boost, differnet turbos, different injectors because thats not what audi intended.

Nyet summed my views up very well. If I thought the OP was well informed, I would have answered the question. Having done so in the past, I hate just giving a solution without making sure the consequences (potential or likely) are known and understood.


Noone disputes the car WILL open the DV without the N249, just that it won't be instantaneous at lower RPM's. While I agree detriment in the short term is unlikely, it isn't ideal. The cons outweigh the pros in this instance, and I can't in good conscience advise on how to do it without first satisfying my conscience.

Sure. I will concede that. BUT

It drives me insane, because both questions generally come from people who not only don't know the ramifications, *they actively refuse to even consider them* then get insulted when somebody tries to suggest maybe they should learn more.

Granted, the response is generally accusatory when it comes from me. But I am prejudiced, because i assume that whoever is asking is clueless. Why? Because 99% of the time, it is true. They heard it from somebody who said somebody they know heard somebody does it and it is awesome! Is it any wonder I am demonstrably frustrated?

I will try to be more level headed in the future, but at some point, that would require somebody to prove me wrong. And IMO it won't happen. Those people who already KNOW the ramifications have probably figured out how to do it on their own and wouldn't ask here anyway.

Meh. I will try.

And the rest of your post... i love you to bro.

TigersClaw:

Thank you for you response, and for trying to calm things down

I don't fully understand what you are saying but I think i get the gist of it and i'm trying to digest it now.