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« on: July 03, 2013, 08:45:48 PM »

ME7.5 Hybrid F23 (frankenturbo), MAF scaled for R32 size. MBC set to 25psi on E85.

I am seeing throttle cut and I think I have it narrowed down to either of two things.

Boost Actual > Desired , althought I thought I corrected this by scaling LDRXN to over the map limit .



I highlighted what I think is the start of the throttle cut.

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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2013, 10:24:06 PM »

Please don't post excel output. Post the original CSVs

xls is unparsable.
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2013, 07:14:47 PM »

Look at your requested load
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2013, 12:48:44 AM »

Look at your requested load

yes, absolutely!
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2013, 01:24:54 AM »

Why are you using an MBC?
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2013, 04:33:46 PM »

Look at your requested load

This ^. I had the same issue with too high a requested load in a tune here (HS that Gonzo applied some quick and dirty repair to). It would cut the throttle at 3000 rpm under high load. Smoothed out the requested to take a hump out of the map @ that area and it worked OK after that. Ditched it in favour of working up my own from scratch, but it did correct the problem with that particular tune.

I echo the poster above me about the MBC. Eliminate that and tune for your desired results with the N75. I can run to the limits of the MAP with it no problem. Unless you are working a small turbo like the K03 really hard, that should be good enough for most applications...
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2013, 06:06:45 PM »

I can exceeded and hold higher than map limit, turbo is roughly size of a gt28rs and I've seen no problem holding 25 to redline. There is all sorts of problems with the waste gate on these units which is why I chose the MBC over the n75.

I'll lower and smooth out ldrxn, but I thought the hierarchy of the ecu would follow kfmiop/irl if it never touched ldrxn values
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2013, 08:25:34 PM »

F23 is not the size of a GT28RS.

Its bigger than a GT28R though.
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2013, 09:30:58 PM »

I' going to make some changes today, will report back.
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2013, 04:58:34 AM »

Good Read if you can sort out the bull shit on why I run a MBC
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?6081255-Frankenturbo-actuator-testing
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2013, 09:09:12 AM »

BTW, anything you can do with an MBC, you should able to coax the LDRPID to doing, if you are under the MAP sensor limit. You may want to try the 5120 hack..

Also, please don't post excel files.
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2013, 10:09:00 AM »

ME7.5 Hybrid F23 (frankenturbo), MAF scaled for R32 size. MBC set to 25psi on E85.

I am seeing throttle cut and I think I have it narrowed down to either of two things.

Boost Actual > Desired , althought I thought I corrected this by scaling LDRXN to over the map limit .



I highlighted what I think is the start of the throttle cut.


do you actually make anymore power running 25psi over running 21psi at redline?
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2013, 03:44:56 AM »

BTW, anything you can do with an MBC, you should able to coax the LDRPID to doing, if you are under the MAP sensor limit. You may want to try the 5120 hack..

Also, please don't post excel files.

Thats cool about the MBC functionality of the N75, and I saw your first post about xls files and dooley noted.
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2013, 03:45:40 AM »

do you actually make anymore power running 25psi over running 21psi at redline?

I anticipate that it should net gains especially with E85's ability to resist detonation.
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2013, 07:52:44 PM »

do you actually make anymore power running 25psi over running 21psi at redline?
Yes, since the 1.8T flows like crap.
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