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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2013, 12:24:59 PM »

Now methanol I don't believe these united states has any regulations to discourage production, unless it's changed very recently. It's probably somewhat similar world wide. If you've got a welding or gas supply shop near you your set up to run. I've sat in on a few runs of methanol but it's relatively hazardous, and without the "personal" benefits.


I looked into it a while back. Here in FL, you have get a permit at a cost of about $6000 to produce it plus all the cost involved with getting the proper materials so the "distillery"( your detached garage or barn structure) passes inspection. Then you are limited in the amount you can make without getting a commercial licence.
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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2013, 01:30:46 PM »

I never deal with metanol, but some friends who works in drag racing cars do a lot...

if you stay behind car you´ll hurt your eys (tears fall apart lol)...

besides methanol will outstand like 120~130oct

cana de açucar ethanol works like 110oct fuel...

The great diference is the heat proof...

last week I made an Golf IV 1.8 20VT with an upgraded turbocharger with OEM intercooler advance next 6.000 RPM was about 30~32° with lambda about 0,85 and never get any knock using ethanol even the inlet temperature was about 95°C...  car measeured 310Hp@7.000RPM and 42Mkfd@5.500 RPM.

Ower send me a log today IAT with 126°C and no knock at all...
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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2013, 03:09:37 PM »

I never deal with metanol, but some friends who works in drag racing cars do a lot...

if you stay behind car you´ll hurt your eys (tears fall apart lol)...

besides methanol will outstand like 120~130oct

cana de açucar ethanol works like 110oct fuel...

The great diference is the heat proof...

last week I made an Golf IV 1.8 20VT with an upgraded turbocharger with OEM intercooler advance next 6.000 RPM was about 30~32° with lambda about 0,85 and never get any knock using ethanol even the inlet temperature was about 95°C...  car measeured 310Hp@7.000RPM and 42Mkfd@5.500 RPM.

Ower send me a log today IAT with 126°C and no knock at all...
Impressive that there is no knock.
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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2013, 05:27:39 AM »

I was very impressed too...

But, compression ratio in NA engines with mild cams using regular fuel stays next 10~10,5:1 (indirect injection of course)... the same engine just using modified pistons (injectors and another mods to feed rigth) to raise CR can achieve next to 13,5:1 using Ethanol... I saw some competition engines using ethanol and very agresive cams with 14,5~15,5:1 !!!!!

Made some 1.8 20VT became 2.0 stroker engines with CR 11,5:1 using GTX3071R and 1,45Bar falling to 1,25Bar and achieve 530cv and 64mkgf with no knock at all  (advance next to 22° and lambda next to 0,83 next rev limiter).

I said all the good things... now it´s time to de bad....

ethanol has a flash point between 13,5 and 17°C  so it´s very hard to start an engine in temperatures lower than this, and even if You are next to 20~30°C you´ll need a LOT of enrichment...

Another bad thing it is particulated, you get your fuel filter clogged in about 5.000 miles, and your pump will have to be about 50% bigger (what requires modifications in Wiring in some cases).

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