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« Reply #240 on: March 11, 2024, 10:34:16 AM »

Is it possible to find KLNEHDP like curve in SIMOS18 ECUs?

It seems vacuum pump from gen3 EA888 could be mounted on gen2 EA888 - at least gasket is with same part number between both engines.
If gen3 vacuum pump have HPFP driving lobe with greater stroke - then could be an option to be retrofit it on gen2 engine while copying KLNEHDP from SIMOS ECU.
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« Reply #241 on: March 26, 2024, 02:26:04 PM »

It turns out I'm right to be afraid of fuel starvation.

I colored in the attached logs when the rail pressure is dropping - it is bellow 300g/s hfm reading - easy task for stock fuel system.
Fuel temperature is normal (below 80C degrees), and for this temperature duty cycle for LPFP in KFFLAF is 81%, but because of not enough fuel it is driven to the max allowed 90%.

Is there a easy way to rule out LPFP system for this problem?
I'm pretty sure it is "upgraded" DAZA  HPFP, because now I have dropping rail pressure with les boost and less airflow, than previous setup of this car.
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« Reply #242 on: April 04, 2024, 12:44:19 PM »

I'm a little bit confused now.
In order to rule out HPFP upgrade we decide to return stock high pressure pump - with stock pump result was even worse, obvious even with 0% DC on WG and charge pressure roughly 1bar.
Than I was thinking maybe it is LPFP that failed meanwhile.

I hooked pressure meter on the low pressure side right before HPFP and it seems there is no problem there - It is catching up quite well, until Rail pressure can't be maintained anymore, B_ebks is set and LPFP duty cycle goes to crazy high 90% (stock calibration of FLAFEBKS). In this moment pressure meter hooked to Low pressure side goes to max, and I don't know how much over 7 bar there is in the low pressure system.

It seems it is not a problem with delivery from LPFP.

Ok next I was thinking while they put CATCAMS, exhaust camshaft is not correctly aligned and now difference from TDC on cyl 1 to TDC of HPFP is no longer stock one.
So I was trying with different settings of MFDD_phiOTZ1OTP_CA and it seems there is really some 8 degree discrepancy - not much but definitely better overall results with -10 degrees, instead of stock -18.

However rail pressure drops like a rock! It is not slow pressure degradation, but really huge drop!
I can't believe this is only because of HPFP limit is reached.
My thinking is that when HPFP can't keep up with rail pressure requirements it will start to degrade much slower.

In the three log files, I colored the problematic areas.
One file is with stock 1.8TFSI HPFP, another two are with RS3 DAZA HPFP and -12 degrees MFDD_phiOTZ1OTP_CA (maybe a little bit worse than -10, but not so sure about that).
Two of the files are with fixed 40% DC of N75, another one is with manifold pressure directly inside wastegate chamber (0%DC).

With DAZA pump it is a little bit better, but still not enough.
With 1bar charge pressure (0% DC) it is possible to go to redline, but after 6000rpm again rail pressure drops a lot.

Any opinion what could be wrong with the fuel system is welcome.
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« Reply #243 on: April 04, 2024, 03:11:28 PM »

Hi guys!
I'm worried with some HPFP modification I saw last weekend, and I'm asking for some advise from you.

The car is Euro A4 B8 1.8TFSI (Bosch closed style HPFP - not upgradable with different internals).

Two years ago I made for this friend moderated tune for K04-064 and it was working ok on the stock HPFP.
However it seems power is never sufficient, so now the car have proper BIG turbo, and because I mentioned to him fueling will be an issue they decide to put on the car HPFP from 2017 RS3 DAZA engine.
He told me this pump is good for over 700HP, our target is not more than 500, so should be enough.

Good thing is that control signal to HPFP should be the same like his old HPFP - car idles well (beside fuel pressure too high DTC error) - let's say that is fixable.

I start to look for parameters (piston diameter, cylinder volume) of this DAZA HPFP and unfortunately I can't find anything to starts with.

What really bothers me is that 1.8/2.0TSI EA888 gen2 HPFP have cam lobe with 3.5mm lift and I can see this in KLNEHDP in his original file.
However RS3 pump have 4.7mm and it is defined as such in KLNEHDP in every RS3 original file I could find.

It seems driving lobe of those two cars is totally different. Now I'm afraid RS3 HPFP will not make enough pressure with 1.2mm less push when paired with 1.8TSI driving lobe.
Am I right this will not end well paired with capable turbocharger?
Is there a way to use vacuum pump from different car, so we can get bigger stroke, more close to standard 4.7mm of RS3?



bosch hpfp same as cawb engine ?
this hpfp working different
replace new version same desing like ccz hpfp overheating
control different
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« Reply #244 on: April 05, 2024, 01:57:50 AM »

Didn't get that  Shocked

This car have as standard Bosch closed type HPFP, very different than more common Hitachi HDP on 2.0 engines.

Yeah I know Bosch and Hitachi HDP have inverse control of MSV but DAZA RS3 HPFP is also Bosch, so the same MSV control like original one on the car.

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« Reply #245 on: April 06, 2024, 12:04:19 PM »

Is it possible to change somehow SY_MSVKOMP, so to make this ECU collaborate with HITACHI HDP with upgraded internals?

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« Reply #246 on: April 15, 2024, 07:50:35 AM »

In the attached excel file - pin conversion in order to switch from 1.8TFSI MED17.5 -> 2.0TFSI MED17.1 ECU.
I tried to order them in a way it is easier to rearrange wiring harness.

So T60 is smaller connector, and you need to:
    1) move brown/grey wire (should be 0.5 cross section) from pin 1 -> pin 45, and pin45 should be already empty;
    2) After that you should move brown/black wire from pin17 -> pin 1. We already free it up on the previous step;
    3) You should check and be sure there is nothing on Pin 2, 4, 18, because MED17.1 outputs there control for AVS system on exhaust valve, which is missing on 1.8TFSI.
    4) move blue/grey wire from pin 53 -> pin 54 (54 should be empty).
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It is tested and worked for me - with Immo off 2.0TFSI ECU.
Car starts, and I have bunch of errors for AVS solenoids, but let's say it is expected behavior.

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« Reply #247 on: April 20, 2024, 02:32:48 PM »

hello

do you have the address for klrpmax for audi s3 8p?

8p0907115H

thanks
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