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« on: May 03, 2014, 07:33:38 AM »
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Hi all, Ok so I'm a complete newbie at this stuff so please excuse anything that I may say or leave out that may be incorrect. Basically I bought an 2009 A3 1.9tdie off an insurance company and it was missing a few bits like cluster and airbag etc. Now Ive replaced all parts and gave it to a friend who claimed he could sync the whole lot on the computer. But he seems to be having issues at the moment with syncing the cluster to the ecu. He has told me that the immobilizer is active at the moment and he needs a pin to deactivate it to be able to sync the cluster. He has asked me to see if I can retrieve the ecu of the cluster but I can't. Ive read up on the cluster transfer on ross-tech http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Immobilizer_III_Immobilizer_Swapping_(Instrument_Cluster) and it claims that i have to transfer the details of the new with the old cluster. So my question is I guess is it possible to retrieve the pin of the new cluster? And if not, what would be my best course of action? I really would appreciate any advice and help on this. There seems to be a serious knowledge base on this website about this sort of stuff but sadly the guys in the garages seem clueless. |
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2014, 10:30:52 AM »
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Hmmm when it's from 2009 i think You have 3 ways:
1)Audi dealership and online coding
2)Immo off
3)Someone that has AVDI with activated modules for Your car/ecu
Pin will not help You.
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2014, 12:53:45 PM »
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Ok so this is were my lack of knowledge come in, so excuse my stupidity on the subject but to the best of my knowledge, the guys who are looking at the car claim to have the AVDI to activate the modules but they were telling me that the cluster I must have gotten came off a car that the immobilizer was already set as they couldn't get into the cluster without a pin. I have my doubts about this though as wouldn't the cluster have to have a battery to retain that information and if so, couldn't this be reset? I prefer not to turn the immo off and Audi really would be a last option. They wanted 820 euro plus vat for the cluster alone. Oh and what did you mean about the online coding? Thanks for your help on this mumin. Appreciate it.
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2014, 12:27:45 AM »
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Heh when they have AVDI they should do it without problems. Pin and other immo data is stored in EEProm memory so it does not need battery to retain all the information.
As You have 1.9TDI it should have EDC16 so they can read immobilizer info from ECU. I know that Audi has such prices but they should also code used cluster to the car (when it was not stolen).
Online coding is online coding ...dealership has to connect to central Audi server to do all the codings.
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2014, 09:16:32 AM »
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Thanks mumin for your help. I've been sick in hospital the past few days so haven't been looking at this at all. I have however have came up with two reasons why it might not be working.
No 1: The immo was disabled on the ecu when it was hooked up to the online software last time. Apparently this won't work unless the immo is enabled.
No 2: Its quite possible that the wrong cluster is being used in the car. Their is several different types of clusters for the audi a3 and they all look the same to the naked eye.
Has anyone on here maybe got the VAG catalog that can give you the part number of the cluster (that should be in the car) if I give you the necessary details? I would really appreciate if any of you did and could do this for me as I'm kinda stuck.
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2014, 09:55:07 AM »
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download vag etka
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2014, 10:25:33 AM »
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I did try that before. I downloaded ETKA 7.4 and it spent days updating (I actually mean days), as it seem to only download like 4 releases at a time and then you would have to start again. Anyway I think it was on day 3 or 4 when it crapped itself and stopped working. So I never even got a chance to use it as it has to be fully up to date before it will let you. I'm really looking to get this car sorted this week so if anyone already had an up to date version, I would be greatly appreciative. I did find this website http://www.partscats.info/ which seems like a pretty good substitute for EKTA but I can't even find the cluster that is in the car on it. So I'm a little confused right now. Think I really need someone who has access to audis EKTA that can search parts by VIN. Its the only way I can be sure. |
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2014, 10:30:50 AM »
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change the date to feb 2013 and it will work  |
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2014, 10:38:55 AM »
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Marty your a genius  Do you change it on the computer or EKTA? If EKTA, where do you change it? |
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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2014, 12:23:19 PM »
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Marty your a genius Do you change it on the computer or EKTA? If EKTA, where do you change it? on your pc bottom right corner where the time is located right click>time date settings |
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2014, 09:27:58 AM »
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Starting in 2009 many clusters need to have the eeprom read and modified with a programmer before you can access immo data if the immobilizer isn't already matched and a valid key is used. After you modify the eeprom you should be able to use avdi to change over immo data to match the ecm assuming he has the proper functions. I doubt you will be able to use the pin and the usual matching procedures. The procedure is in the avdi user manual.
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2014, 11:34:09 AM »
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Marty: Thanks a million. That worked a treat.
BDK: Thank you so much for that info. My head is literally fried at this stage and no one seems to be able to give me any daylight on what might be the issue. Do you know what has to be read and modified on the eeprom before you can access the immo data? I had the car hooked up to an AVDI today and it couldn't read the immo data. It would basically just read zeros and many of the functions wouldn't work as it would just give a immo active warning.
My car was built in 2008 (the facelift model) but the cluster is from a 2009 car. I didn't actually realize this at the time but the cluster that was originally in the car (8P0 920 982 C) is a different part number to the one that is in it now (8P0 920 982 J). I originally thought that this might be causing an issue but then read on other forums of people switching these regularly without issues. But I'm now thinking if the issue is only with clusters from 2009 on, could I just buy a 2008 cluster and match the immo with the avdi as normal?
Thank you so much for your help on this. Greatly appreciated it.
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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2014, 03:30:05 PM »
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Marty: Thanks a million. That worked a treat.
BDK: Thank you so much for that info. My head is literally fried at this stage and no one seems to be able to give me any daylight on what might be the issue. Do you know what has to be read and modified on the eeprom before you can access the immo data? I had the car hooked up to an AVDI today and it couldn't read the immo data. It would basically just read zeros and many of the functions wouldn't work as it would just give a immo active warning.
My car was built in 2008 (the facelift model) but the cluster is from a 2009 car. I didn't actually realize this at the time but the cluster that was originally in the car (8P0 920 982 C) is a different part number to the one that is in it now (8P0 920 982 J). I originally thought that this might be causing an issue but then read on other forums of people switching these regularly without issues. But I'm now thinking if the issue is only with clusters from 2009 on, could I just buy a 2008 cluster and match the immo with the avdi as normal?
Thank you so much for your help on this. Greatly appreciated it.
cool man glad it worked for you |
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2014, 03:06:53 PM »
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Out of interest, does anyone on here have AVDI vag commander or have used it before? I just want to clarify the process as I know someone who has it but I don't think he knows how to use it for a cluster change? Any help really appreciated guys. I can't believe this is taking so long to get sorted. Its been to a couple of "specialists" now and still nothing.
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2014, 04:55:12 PM »
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I have avdi, along with some functions. I have not done anything with the newer (2009 up) clusters yet with it so what I know is limited to the user manual info and experiences with older clusters.
On older cars cluster swaps were pretty simple, just a matter of getting the pin codes and using vcds. Newer clusters are much more difficult and there are variations between manufacturers and part numbers. I can suggest how I would approach it if I know more about your situation.
Does the person you know with avdi have a clone or genuine tool?
Do you know the manufacturer of your cluster? It may be possible to determine the manufacturer from the advanced id info using vcds.
Does your car have kessy?
Do you know if the cluster uses uds protocol or the older can protocol?
If it is can does adaptation channel 50 show "security access required" or "channel not available".
Is your ecm edc16 or edc17?
If you have a complete vcds autoscan that may also help
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