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« on: September 12, 2014, 12:17:03 AM »

Is there a set intake/charge air temp at which the ecu pulls timing?  50c? 75c? 100c? Or is it a more linear change?
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2014, 03:07:20 AM »

I think KFZWWLNM is your answer
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2014, 07:03:44 PM »

I guess I'm wondering at what point is intake temp too high?   Debating water/meth.
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2014, 09:54:42 PM »

I guess I'm wondering at what point is intake temp too high?   Debating water/meth.

20deg C over the ambient.
Every 10degC lowering your IATs is about 3% gain in power.
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2014, 11:41:49 PM »

I guess I'm wondering at what point is intake temp too high?   Debating water/meth.

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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2014, 03:31:57 AM »

10* over ambient.  Ouch. On a 65*f night one log showed a peak of 79*C. Then the 2nd. Maybe 5 minutes apart showed a peak of 100*C.   Well then. My ko3s isn't dead yet.  Now the debate.  Fmic. Or water meth injection. Fmic will be a good all around all the time mod for slightly cooler intake temps. But it seems the people that have gotten the most out of their ko3s have used water meth. Cooler intake charge. Higher octane. Hmmm..
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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2014, 04:29:17 AM »

10* over ambient.  Ouch. On a 65*f night one log showed a peak of 79*C. Then the 2nd. Maybe 5 minutes apart showed a peak of 100*C.   Well then. My ko3s isn't dead yet.  Now the debate.  Fmic. Or water meth injection. Fmic will be a good all around all the time mod for slightly cooler intake temps. But it seems the people that have gotten the most out of their ko3s have used water meth. Cooler intake charge. Higher octane. Hmmm..

100degC?Huh
U sure??
That is ridiculously high.
That car has to be soaked as hell.
Oem coolers?
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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2014, 06:20:03 AM »

100*c is what my log showed. Stock intercooler. Correct. So I know it's not as efficient as it should be.  Daily driving logs it's fine. Just when I run past 5k rpm in 4th gear.  Which I don't do too often. Need to get the couplers for my intercooler.
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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2014, 06:32:19 AM »

100*c is what my log showed. Stock intercooler. Correct. So I know it's not as efficient as it should be.  Daily driving logs it's fine. Just when I run past 5k rpm in 4th gear.  Which I don't do too often. Need to get the couplers for my intercooler.

Buy yourself a couple of SRMs. Problem solved.
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2014, 11:55:52 AM »

Don't bother with WI until you've tried better ICs ...
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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2014, 04:03:34 PM »

Toyosports cooler off ebay.  Type B.   600x300x76mm.  proven to be one of the best on the market.

Pull your boost back a touch.  you cant flow enough to make engine efficient.  Probably better off lowering boost a few psi and keeping intake temps controlled making more efficient power.
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2014, 04:32:50 PM »

Pull your boost back a touch.

Definitely a good call with extreme IATs. KFTARX et al ...
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2014, 04:51:15 PM »

Las Vegas Nevada. 110 degree ambient. End of a WOT run on a regular K04 car can see 180F.

So nasty.
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2014, 09:17:04 PM »

With ambient of 88-100° with XSpower SMIC's, A6 no grills and kept scoops and 20psi to 13psi taper here in FL I see 110° on highway and up to 180ish on WOT pull. I really wanted to get a w/m before summer ended but looks like I'll wait cooler air is on the way. Will log again when weather breaks and see how much the intercooler upgrade might have helped over last year's logs.
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2014, 09:29:11 PM »

The SSAC IC's are worse than stock. Only benefit is they don't blow the tanks.
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