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	29F800 emulator... « on: July 27, 2011, 12:37:56 PM »

What do you guys think of this:

http://www.kmd.co.kr/english/mpu300.htm

I have no idea what will/will not work... but I figure I would start with finding an emulator that works with the 29F800 chip


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	Re: 29F800 emulator... « Reply #1 on: July 27, 2011, 12:53:59 PM »

Found another one... German unit... comes with it's own software and is actually made for chip tuning...

http://nonstop-chiptuning.com/

Prices from what I've seen are around $1800 euro


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	Re: 29F800 emulator... « Reply #2 on: July 27, 2011, 02:33:01 PM »

I think that first one will work, but it will NOT be real time. you'll have to turn off the ecu, load the new image, turn on the ecu.

obviously it woudl be much faster than flashing though

Also, actually connecting to the ECU itself is a bit... tricky.

my setup:


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	Re: 29F800 emulator... « Reply #3 on: June 15, 2012, 03:54:50 AM »

What is that emulator?
Can you tune in realtime whit it ?


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	Re: 29F800 emulator... « Reply #4 on: June 15, 2012, 10:51:13 AM »

I don`t know and it seems to be very big.

One of the best module to simulate the flash and realtime montitor the runing ECU software, is the OLS300 from EVC.
For me it is the best emulator on market.

A disadvantage is that the modul is relatively expensive, because it is only functional with WinOLS software.

http://www.evc.de/en/product/ols/ols300/default.asp?


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	Re: 29F800 emulator... « Reply #5 on: June 16, 2012, 02:44:07 PM »

http://support.moates.net/2008/09/17/roadrunner/

This should work too and is cheaper.

TunerPro supports it as well.


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	Re: 29F800 emulator... « Reply #6 on: June 17, 2012, 06:06:08 AM »

the best one around is called ETK7.1


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	Re: 29F800 emulator... « Reply #7 on: June 17, 2012, 12:18:38 PM »

Quote from: IamwhoIam on June 17, 2012, 06:06:08 AM

the best one around is called ETK7.1

For 29F800 emulation, the only difference I really see between ETK7.1, OLS300 and Roadrunner are the software suites...


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	Re: 29F800 emulator... « Reply #8 on: June 18, 2012, 06:12:14 AM »

WinOLS can update the checksums in real time, can the others?


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	Re: 29F800 emulator... « Reply #9 on: June 18, 2012, 07:30:50 AM »

Is there any need to do that for ME7?
I think it can be accomplished by using MTX plugin and Roadrunner...

But if you want to tune many different ECU's professionally then OLS300 + WinOLS is a better choice.
For hobby tuning of ME7 alone it's not really worth the cost when you can accomplish the same at 5x less cost.


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	Re: 29F800 emulator... « Reply #10 on: June 18, 2012, 11:59:50 AM »

But whit roadrunner you have to buy 2 devices... one for 400 flash and one for 800 flash right?
can it trace maps in tunerpro?


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	Re: 29F800 emulator... « Reply #11 on: June 19, 2012, 02:06:10 AM »

Quote from: janne on June 18, 2012, 11:59:50 AM

But whit roadrunner you have to buy 2 devices... one for 400 flash and one for 800 flash right?

I don't see why, considering the difference between 29F400 and 29F800 is one address pin (A18).
In 29F400 it will be low all the time, so just the first half is read.

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can it trace maps in tunerpro?

I think so...
Not that it's very important when you can log all RAM variables.

There is one thing though - Roadrunner is made for 28F800. Our ECU's use 29F800.
The difference is in Pin 1 - VPP vs RY/BY. Would need to ask Moates if it will work properly.


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	Re: 29F800 emulator... « Reply #12 on: July 15, 2012, 02:23:57 AM »

I emailed them.

Should work. They sayed that others got it to run on me7 with checksum deactivated.


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	Re: 29F800 emulator... « Reply #13 on: September 23, 2012, 04:41:41 PM »

I can confirm the Roadrunner works. I have the ECU with the emulator on the table right now and VAG-COM connects.
For checksums some things have to be patched and ECU has to be coded into test mode.

The case has to be modified to fit the emulator board.

Also, there is a problem where you have to endian swap all binaries that you upload, because otherwise they come out wrong.
This one had me tearing my hair out, until I decided to boot mode the ECU with the emulator attached, read it out, and found the entire readout endian swapped.
Uploaded the same readout to the emulator and now boot mode readout was fine and ECU started to communicate.

Just about time. Screw flashing


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	Re: 29F800 emulator... « Reply #14 on: September 24, 2012, 06:55:08 AM »

You could also make a cable and swap data lines, that's what i did.
There's also small tool called Winendian. Mark Mansur, guy who programmed Tunerpro, made this after i reported byte swapping to Moates a few years ago.


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