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Quote from: eliotroyano on June 15, 2015, 11:44:17 AM
Hi ricekikr I have been looking the info you found about RPM Limiter after MAF Linearization map (MLHFM) and comparing it with several M382 M383 & M592 maps that I have, and I only found that info in a 8D0907557T M382 map. I try to apply the same offet (40*Eeprom) to other and the values does not have the same structure. Here I send you a compilation of the data located after MLHFM (MAF Linearization Map) of several maps. What do you think mate?

The rev limiter for your file isn't after the Maf linearization. Could you post your file? Gona take a look at it later.
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Quote from: eliotroyano on June 15, 2015, 11:44:17 AM
Hi ricekikr I have been looking the info you found about RPM Limiter after MAF Linearization map (MLHFM) and comparing it with several M382 M383 & M592 maps that I have, and I only found that info in a 8D0907557T M382 map. I try to apply the same offet (40*Eeprom) to other and the values does not have the same structure. Here I send you a compilation of the data located after MLHFM (MAF Linearization Map) of several maps. What do you think mate?

Iirc your using a 06A906018CG file. The info below is for a 06A906018CG (D020261206518103735212757/ /M3.83/03/400303/DAMOS3P1/3P10103-S/3P10103)

The values are a bit different compared to a 557P 5.9.2 and 557T 3.82. It's also not after the Maf gamut like the 3.82 557B.

**** use with CAUTION I haven't tried this cause I don't have a CG/3.83 ecu ****
This works on a 557P DO2 file. It should also work on a CG assuming map address/size is correct.

The CG rev-limit looks like it's in 7394 to 73B1 (30x1 map, 40 factor)

Search for this 8A A3 A3 A4 AA AA C8 C8 C8 C8 C8 C8 8C A5 A6 A6 AA AA A7 A8 A8 A8 AA AA 8A A3 A3 A4 A8 AA
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Quote from: ricekikr on June 21, 2015, 06:09:19 AM
Iirc your using a 06A906018CG file. The info below is for a 06A906018CG (D020261206518103735212757/ /M3.83/03/400303/DAMOS3P1/3P10103-S/3P10103)

The values are a bit different compared to a 557P 5.9.2 and 557T 3.82. It's also not after the Maf gamut like the 3.82 557B.

**** use with CAUTION I haven't tried this cause I don't have a CG/3.83 ecu ****
This works on a 557P DO2 file. It should also work on a CG assuming map address/size is correct.

The CG rev-limit looks like it's in 7394 to 73B1 (30x1 map, 40 factor)

Search for this 8A A3 A3 A4 AA AA C8 C8 C8 C8 C8 C8 8C A5 A6 A6 AA AA A7 A8 A8 A8 AA AA 8A A3 A3 A4 A8 AA

I haven't tested but I take a look and I am not convinced about it. Take a look of the 2D or excel sheet I attach here. Looks something weird. In your case with 557P D02 file, have you tested it? which value(s) of the map have you changed? RPM effectively have changed to the requested value?
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Works fine on a 557p d02, all values set to 10200. Tested to 8krpm, but using a piggyback for fuel/ignition/etc.

557p values
"AA A3 A3 A4 AA AA C8 C8 C8 C8 C8 C8 AA A5 A6 A6 AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA A3 A3 A4 AA AA"

I tried it first at a lower rpm (2500) to confirm it works. Then upped it 10200 monitoring afr/knock/ignition, gradually upping boost and rpm.

Disclaimer: stock fuel/ignition/etc maps are only up to 6500-6800rpm. You need to tune them before upping rev limit. It'l still rev, but fuel/ignition/etc will be messed up. Also need valvesprings/valves/etc.
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Quote from: ricekikr on June 23, 2015, 11:26:57 AM
Works fine on a 557p d02, all values set to 10200. Tested to 8krpm, but using a piggyback for fuel/ignition/etc.
557p values
"AA A3 A3 A4 AA AA C8 C8 C8 C8 C8 C8 AA A5 A6 A6 AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA A3 A3 A4 AA AA"
I tried it first at a lower rpm (2500) to confirm it works. Then upped it 10200 monitoring afr/knock/ignition, gradually upping boost and rpm.
Disclaimer: stock fuel/ignition/etc maps are only up to 6500-6800rpm. You need to tune them before upping rev limit. It'l still rev, but fuel/ignition/etc will be messed up. Also need valvesprings/valves/etc.

Have you tested your new rpm limit without piggyback ECU?
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Quote from: eliotroyano on June 26, 2015, 11:04:12 AM
Have you tested your new rpm limit without piggyback ECU?

Nope. Wouldn't be possible without a full re-tune. Maf delete (but ecu still thinks there's a Maf and fuels accordingly) and 870cc injectors. Even without the piggyback it should still work. Piggyback just alters what it gets from the  ecu. If ecu cuts fuel engine goes lean. If ecu cuts ignition engine misfires. When I removed the rev-limit i didn't even have to re-tune, ecu did not change fuel or ignition.

Ecu fuel/ignition signal > piggyback alters signal > engine

The only difference, in your case, is that you would have to alter the fuel and ignition maps that are past the current rev-limit.

Winols has a partially defined map pack for a 3.82 that has a rev-limit map. The 30x1 map had a single value. Iirc it was a stage 1 map, it should give you an idea which maps you need to alter.
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Hi ricekikr, I think that I found the explanation for the different rpm limiters we saw in the previous damos file you mention. I was digging in a 4B0907557B damos file that is available around there and I think that I found the complete BBNMAX Drehzahlbegrenzung function for  a M382 4B0907557B ECU. Then should be a similar function for M383 and M592. Take a look, what do you think???

/EPR,[EAMPRO.M3.82.05.400700],,DAMPAR_03
/EAD,$FFFF
/EPK,{53/1/M3.82/05/400700/DAMOS30N/30N01/30N010101/110497/}
PGM-Stand vom: 11-APR-1997 10:27
/PNR,{400700}
/KNR,{05}
/PRO,{R4 5VT 1.8l,04,0,0/5,2,07/97}
/YNR,{4B0 907 557 B}
/BEA,{Brecht}
/DST,{30N010101},{11-APR-97},{11.04.97/Bt/30M010101/Basisstand}
/TEL,{20754}

/FKT,%BBNMAX,{A 16. 20  Drehzahlbegrenzung}
18,DNMAXP,DNMXHP,DZUENMP,FNMAXP,NMAXDP,NMAXDV,NMAXHP,NMAXWHP,NMAXWP,NMAXZP,NMXP,RED1NMX,RED2NMX,RED3NMX,RED4NMX
TNMAXDV,TVMAXHP,ZWVNMAXP
7,B_NMAX,B_NMAXD,B_NMAXW,FESNMAX,NMXWH,REDMXN,ZWVNM;

338,/SPZ,DNMAXP,{Drehzahlhysterese für Drehzahlbegrenzung},13
$7E0E,$7E0E
/SPW,104,1,  0., 9960.
/SPX,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/SPY,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/FKX,6,0,0
/FKY,0,0,0
/ABL,0;

340,/SPZ,DNMXHP,{Hysterese für Drehzahlgrenzen},13
$7E32,$7E32
/SPW,104,1,  0., 9960.
/SPX,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/SPY,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/FKX,6,0,0
/FKY,0,0,0
/ABL,0;

480,/SPZ,DZUENMP,{Delta ZW für weiche nmax-Begrenzung},13
$7E20,$7E20
/SPW,15,1,  0., 255.
/SPX,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/SPY,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/FKX,6,0,0
/FKY,0,0,0
/ABL,0;

613,/SPZ,FNMAXP,{Abmagerungsfaktor bei weicher n/v-Begrenzung},13
$7E2C,$7E2C
/SPW,46,1,  0., 1.992188
/SPX,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/SPY,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/FKX,6,0,0
/FKY,0,0,0
/ABL,0;

1206,/SPZ,NMAXDP,{Dauerdrehzahlgrenze},13
$7E02,$7E02
/SPW,104,1,  0., 9960.
/SPX,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/SPY,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/FKX,6,0,0
/FKY,0,0,0
/ABL,0;

1207,/SPZ,NMAXDV,{Drehzahlbegrenzung bei Fehlererkennung Geschwindigkeitssignal},1
$743A,$743A
/SPW,104,1,  0., 9960.
/SPX,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/SPY,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/FKX,0,0,0
/FKY,0,0,0
/ABL,0;

1209,/SPZ,NMAXHP,{maximale Drehzahl für hartes Abschalten},13
$7E08,$7E08
/SPW,104,1,  0., 9960.
/SPX,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/SPY,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/FKX,6,0,0
/FKY,0,0,0
/ABL,0;

1210,/SPZ,NMAXWHP,{Umschaltschelle Drehzahlberenzung hart -> weich},13
$7E38,$7E38
/SPW,104,1,  0., 9960.
/SPX,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/SPY,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/FKX,6,0,0
/FKY,0,0,0
/ABL,0;

1211,/SPZ,NMAXWP,{weiche Drehzahlgrenze},13
$7DF6,$7DF6
/SPW,104,1,  0., 9960.
/SPX,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/SPY,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/FKX,6,0,0
/FKY,0,0,0
/ABL,0;

1212,/SPZ,NMAXZP,{Drehzahlgrenze für Zylinderabschaltung},13
$7DFC,$7DFC
/SPW,104,1,  0., 9960.
/SPX,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/SPY,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/FKX,6,0,0
/FKY,0,0,0
/ABL,0;

1214,/SPZ,NMXP,{Drehzahlbegrenzung},13
$7DF0,$7DF0
/SPW,104,1,  0., 9960.
/SPX,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/SPY,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/FKX,6,0,0
/FKY,0,0,0
/ABL,0;

1295,/SPZ,RED1NMX,{Reduzierstufe bei Bedingung 1 der NMAX-Begrenzung},1
$743E,$743E
/SPW,126,1,  0., 8.
/SPX,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/SPY,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/FKX,0,0,0
/FKY,0,0,0
/ABL,0;

1296,/SPZ,RED2NMX,{Reduzierstufe bei Bedingung 2 der NMAX-Begrenzung},1
$743F,$743F
/SPW,126,1,  0., 8.
/SPX,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/SPY,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/FKX,0,0,0
/FKY,0,0,0
/ABL,0;

1297,/SPZ,RED3NMX,{Reduzierstufe bei Bedingung 3 der NMAX-Begrenzung},1
$7440,$7440
/SPW,126,1,  0., 8.
/SPX,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/SPY,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/FKX,0,0,0
/FKY,0,0,0
/ABL,0;

1298,/SPZ,RED4NMX,{Reduzierstufe bei Bedingung 4 der NMAX-Begrenzung},1
$7441,$7441
/SPW,126,1,  0., 8.
/SPX,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/SPY,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/FKX,0,0,0
/FKY,0,0,0
/ABL,0;

1555,/SPZ,TNMAXDV
{Verzögerungszeit für Drehzahlbegrenzung bei Ausfall des Geschwindigkeitssignals},1
$743C,$743C
/SPW,161,2,  0., 655.35
/SPX,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/SPY,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/FKX,0,0,0
/FKY,0,0,0
/ABL,0;

1692,/SPZ,TVMAXHP,{Zeitschwelle für Übergang in harte n/v-Begrenzung},13
$7E14,$7E14
/SPW,169,2,  0., 1310.7
/SPX,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/SPY,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/FKX,6,0,0
/FKY,0,0,0
/ABL,0;

1924,/SPZ,ZWVNMAXP,{Max. Zündwinkelverstellung für weiche n/v-Begrenzung},13
$7E26,$7E26
/SPW,215,1,-90.,  0.
/SPX,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/SPY,0,0,  0.,  0.,0
/FKX,6,0,0
/FKY,0,0,0
/ABL,0;

/UMP,%UR_BBNMAX,B_NMAX,{ Flag NMAX-Begrenzung aktiv */},$CD74,1,13,B_TRUE,3,$0004,K;
/UMP,%UR_BIT,B_NMAXD,{Nmax ueberschritten},$0098,1,13,B_TRUE,2,$0002,K;
/UMP,%UR_BBNMAX,B_NMAXW,{ Flag weiche Drehzahlbegrenzun},$CD74,1,13,B_TRUE,3,$0001,K;
/UMP,%UR_BBNMAX,B_NMAXWH,{ Flag weich/harte Drehzahlbegr},$CD74,1,13,B_TRUE,3,$0002,K;
/UMP,%UR_BBNMAX,FESNMAX,{ Faktor Einspritzkorrektur bei Drehzahlb},$CD6F,1,46,FKT128,3,$00FF,K;
/UMP,%UR_BBNMAX,NMXWH,{ variable weich/harte nmax-Grenze */},$CD73,1,104,NQ40,3,$00FF,K;
/UMP,%UR_BBNMAX,REDMXN,{ Reduzierstufe aus BBNMAX */   },$CD72,1,126,RSQ,3,$00FF,K;
/UMP,%UR_BBVMAX,REDMXV,{ Reduzierstufe aus BBNMAX},$CD76,1,126,RSQ,3,$00FF,K;
/UMP,%UR_BBNMAX,ZWVNM,{ Zündwinkelkorrekturwert */},$CD70,1,215,ZWNEG,3,$00FF,K;
/UMP,%UR_BBNMAX,AZUE,{ Zündungszähler */},$CD6E,1,15,DEZ,3,$00FF,K;
/UMP,%UR_BBNMAX,XNFLAG,{ Flags für NMAX-Begrenzung */ },$CD74,1,62,FLAG,3,$00FF,K;
/UMP,%UR_BBNMAX,XNFLAG,{ Flags für NMAX-Begrenzung */ },$CD74,1,62,FLAG,3,$00FF,K;
/UMP,%UR_BBNMAX,XNFLAG2,{ Flags für NMAX-Begrenzung */ },$CD75,1,62,FLAG,3,$00FF,K;
/UMP,%UR_BBNMAX,F_NMAXD,{ Flag n >= NMAXDP */},$CD74,1,13,B_TRUE,3,$0020,K;
/UMP,%UR_BIT,F_NMAXF,{ =1 => max. Drehzahl wurde ueberschritten},$008C,1,13,B_TRUE,2,$0020,K;
/UMP,%UR_BBNMAX,F_NMAXH,{ Flag n >= NMAXH für TVMAXH */},$CD74,1,13,B_TRUE,3,$0008,K;
/UMP,%UR_BBNMAX,F_NMAXW,{ Flag weiche Drehzahlbegrenzu},$CD75,1,13,B_TRUE,3,$0001,K;
/UMP,%UR_BBNMAX,F_NMXWH,{ Flag n >= nmxwh */},$CD74,1,13,B_TRUE,3,$0080,K;
/UMP,%UR_BBNMAX,T_TNMAXDV,{ Timer für TNMAXDV läuft */},$CD74,1,13,B_TRUE,3,$0040,K;
/UMP,%UR_BBNMAX,T_TVMAXH,{ Timer für TVMAXH läuft */},$CD74,1,13,B_TRUE,3,$0010,K;
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I haven't tried all that you posted, just a few. Possibly those just point to the 30x1 Rev-limit map constant. The fully defined 3.82 file, on here, doesn't have the map for the 30x1 REV-limiter. Not all the 3.82/3.83/5.92 have it after the Maf Gamut, the values on it are similar.

I wonder why a lot on here say that the Rev-limit is calculated rather than a constant. Also had my doubts when I saw the 30x1 map. Then Kompressed (known tuner on here) mentioned that it had multiple constants. Confirmed this using the EVC/winols map pack.

Hopefully there's a rev-limit for when the vehicle is standstill = launch control. And hopefully it uses ignition cut rather than fuel cut to limit (i think the speed limiter uses ignition cut over fuel cut, same AFR no acceleration) = Full Boost Launch Control if ignition cut.

Did you check the limited map-pack from EVC/Winols for a 1.8t? It has the map location for the rev-limit map.
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Quote from: ricekikr on July 01, 2015, 04:12:33 AM
I haven't tried all that you posted, just a few. Possibly those just point to the 30x1 Rev-limit map constant. The fully defined 3.82 file, on here, doesn't have the map for the 30x1 REV-limiter. Not all the 3.82/3.83/5.92 have it after the Maf Gamut, the values on it are similar.
I wonder why a lot on here say that the Rev-limit is calculated rather than a constant. Also had my doubts when I saw the 30x1 map. Then Kompressed (known tuner on here) mentioned that it had multiple constants. Confirmed this using the EVC/winols map pack.
Hopefully there's a rev-limit for when the vehicle is standstill = launch control. And hopefully it uses ignition cut rather than fuel cut to limit (i think the speed limiter uses ignition cut over fuel cut, same AFR no acceleration) = Full Boost Launch Control if ignition cut.
Did you check the limited map-pack from EVC/Winols for a 1.8t? It has the map location for the rev-limit map.

Ricekikr yes I saw the limited map-pack, I think it is for a 557T M382 file and also have the 30x1 rev limiter map of constants. I have revised the 557B M382 documented Damos and try to look and compare it with other ECU version M383 & M592. My first impression is that for M382, M383 and/or M592 location of constants are not the same, but in general seems to me that have the same operation way. Also some ignition cut, I think, is used for RPM limit operation.

Please take a look to the excel file attached also take a look at constants in my previous post. There could be the logic used for RPM limit operation.
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« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2015, 06:33:28 PM »
i dont believe this is a 30x1 map. i think its more in the 6x5 area and im on a quest for the proper axis as there must be an axis.
i thought it was gear 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 but that doesnt seem to be the case.
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