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« on: July 08, 2016, 10:35:15 AM »
This needs too happen! So many people are asking so many questions on 2.0t that there needs too be a stage 1 build!
I have a totally stock 2008 audi a3, that I've serviced everything except pcv which is getting deleted. Can we please start this thread now? Someone tried too start one but someone stated they are they same as me7. They are not the same!! Fueling is way different. Nyet what do I need too do to get this started?
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2016, 11:44:49 AM »
i think its cuz the fueling has been covered for the med9 on here, and a lot of the rest is similar.
i believe i was the one that wanted that community thread before
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2016, 12:23:44 PM »
So start one and post logs and bins. Nothing is stopping you or anyone else.
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2016, 01:03:23 PM »
Yes!!
Problem, we can't use me7logger and I know you hate vcds logs. What can we do for logging? Just go with vcds or has someone made a logger for med9?
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2016, 03:15:35 PM »
VCDS is easily good enough on these.
If there is some variable that you are missing, it is easily possible to add it to measuring blocks...
I wrote a VCDS label generator from .bin for MED9 some time ago for my own use, that processes the measuring block table and dumps a label file with the correct variable names instead of VCDS names.
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2016, 04:10:33 PM »
I think I remember reading it. I'll post my bin and kp file too atleast show you what I'm working with. I'll start logging Monday than, I'll log the car stock so well know what stock should look like. Anything in perticular you want me too log?
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2016, 07:59:37 PM »
Ok going to ask the big question with these cars, what is the condition of your HPFP?
Def log fuel pressure.
The PCV system is touchy on these, but for real stock logs should we not use a car with
working pcv (dont get me wrong I would run a block off and a catch can all day long) but
for science I think working pcv would be better.
Which DV do you have 08 could go either way, If its the rubber one it will most likely not make
it though this.
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2016, 08:52:59 PM »
This is what I usually change for a stage 1 .


(KFMLDMX)Max Load for diagnosis;"KFMLDMX";"9x8"
(NMAX) RPM Limit;"NMAX";"1x1"
(KFMIRL)map for calculation of nominal charge;"KFMIRL";"12x16"
(KFMIRLS)map for calculation of nominal charge;"KFMIRLS";"12x16"
(KFPLGUB)Base boost pressure for Base of Ambient;"KFPLGUB";"8x8"
(KFVPDKLD)Maximum allowable pressure ratio for DK LDRA diagnosis;"KFVPDKLD";"12x10"
(KLDLUL)Threshold negative deviation of boost pressure for detecting overcharge pressure;"KLDLUL";"8x1"
(KFFLLDE)Factor for slow LDR intervention on rlmax via KR;"KFFLLDE";"8x8"
(KFTARX)IAT correction for maximum specified load;"KFTARX";"10x12"
(KFTARXB) Underlying IAT Compensation for Maximum Specified Load;"KFTARXB";"10x12"
(NMAX) RPM Limit;"NMAX";"1x1"
(KFMIRL)map for calculation of nominal charge;"KFMIRL";"12x16"
(KFMIRLS)map for calculation of nominal charge;"KFMIRLS";"12x16"
(KFPLGUB)Base boost pressure for Base of Ambient;"KFPLGUB";"8x8"
(KFVPDKLD)Maximum allowable pressure ratio for DK LDRA diagnosis;"KFVPDKLD";"12x10"
(KFFSLDE)Factor for rapid LDR intervention;"KFFSLDE";"8x8"
(KLDLUL)Threshold negative deviation of boost pressure for detecting overcharge pressure;"KLDLUL";"8x1"
(LDELDRAO)Upper limit for low-pass filtered LDR deviation;"LDELDRAO";"1x1"
(KFTARX)IAT correction for maximum specified load;"KFTARX";"10x12"
(DLUL)delta-load for overload protection-reset;"DLUL";"1x1"
(TDLDEUK)Time threshold for filtering of LDR deviation;"TDLDEUK";"1x1"
(TDLDRA2Time threshold for Day LDR - deviation (B_mxldra);"TDLDRA2";"1x1"
(TDLKVDKH)Time delay for deleting error code for leak in front of thorttle body;"TDLKVDKH";"1x1"
(TDLKVDKL)Time delay set by E_lkvdk in charge mode;"TDLKVDKL";"1x1"
(TDLKVDKLL)Time delay set by the suction E_lkvdk lower threshold;"TDLKVDKLL";"1x1"
(TDLKVDKS)Time delay set by the suction E_lkvdk;"TDLKVDKS";"1x1"
(TDLKVDKST)Time delay set to launch at the end of E_lkvdk;"TDLKVDKST";"1x1"
(TDLKVDKT)Time delay set by E_lkvdk in charge mode from idle speed  = true;"TDLKVDKT";"1x1"
(TULV1)delay overcharge cutoff, ti fade out step 1;"TULV1";"1x1"
(TULV3)Delay time for reset overload error;"TULV3";"1x1"
(KFFLLDE)Factor for slow LDR intervention on rlmax via KR;"KFFLLDE";"8x8"
(KFFWLLDE)Weighing Factor for LDR intervention on rlmax via KR;"KFFWLLDE";"8x8"
(KFTARXB) Underlying IAT Compensation for Maximum Specified Load;"KFTARXB";"10x12"
(KFTARXZK)IAT Compensation for Maximum Specified Load during knock;"KFTARXZK";"10x12"
(LDORXNHDR)maximum filling LDR at rail pressure control(error);"LDORXNHDR";"8x1"
(LDORXN)maximum filling LDR at E_ldo (overcharge error);"LDORXN";"8x1"
LDR p-Limit At zu high Engine temperature;"LDPBN";"8x1"
(KFFKRXTM)Factor to correct for rlmax at high engine temperature;"KFFKRXTM";"4x4"
(KFLDHBN) Boost Pressure Limit(Max. Pressure Ratio);"KFLDHBN";"8x8"
(LDRXN)maximum specified load/boost;"LDRXN";"16x1"
(LDRXNZK) maximum specified load/boost during knock;"LDRXNZK";"16x1"
(KFLDRL)Map for linearisation boost pressure =f(TV);"KFLDRL";"10x16"
(KFLBTS)Nominal Lambda for component protection;"KFLBTS";"12x16"
(LAMFA)Desired Lambda;"LAMFA";"6x15"
(VMAXESP)Maximum permissible speed if ESP fails;"VMAXESP";"1x1"
(VMAXNB)Maximum allowable vehicle speed in normal operation;"VMAXNB";"1x1"
(NMAXDVG)Speed limit for automatic transmission error signal;"NMAXDVG";"8x1"
(NMAXGA)Maximum permitted engine speed (stationary);"NMAXGA";"8x1"
(NMAXNL)Max engine speed for failure of speed Transmitter;"NMAXNL";"1x1"
(NMAXOGGA)Maximum permitted engine speed (short-term rise);"NMAXOGGA";"8x1"
(NMAXTO)Speed Limit at high oil temperature;"NMAXTO";"4x1"
Characteristic Maximum Limit Rail pressure Setpoint;"KLPRMAX";"6x1"
code word: catalyst diagnosis in OBDII-mode (reverse: European mode);"CDKATSP";"1x1"
(KFMLDMX)Max Load for diagnosis;"KFMLDMX";"9x8"
Timing map;"KFZW";"12x16"
Timing map Variant 2;"KFZW2";"12x16"
Setpoint Rail pressure in Operating mode Homogeneously-Knock prevention;"KFPRSOLHKS";"8x8"
Setpoint Rail pressure im Homogeneous mode;"KFPRSOLHOM";"8x8"
Setpoint Rail pressure im Shifts;"KFPRSOLSCH";"8x8"
Klopferkennungsfaktorkennfeld cylinder counter 0;"KFKE0";"4x16"
Klopferkennungsfaktorkennfeld cylinder counter 1;"KFKE1";"4x16"
Klopferkennungsfaktorkennfeld cylinder counter 2;"KFKE2";"4x16"
Klopferkennungsfaktorkennfeld cylinder counter 3;"KFKE3";"4x16"
Lower stationary Lambda limit for HOM;"LAMNHOMN";"8x1"
Threshold Exhaust temperature im Manifold for Component protection;"TAIKRBTS";"1x1"
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2016, 11:02:15 PM »
Quote from: Carsinc on July 09, 2016, 07:59:37 PM
Ok going to ask the big question with these cars, what is the condition of your HPFP?
Def log fuel pressure.
The PCV system is touchy on these, but for real stock logs should we not use a car with
working pcv (dont get me wrong I would run a block off and a catch can all day long) but
for science I think working pcv would be better.
Which DV do you have 08 could go either way, If its the rubber one it will most likely not make
it though this.


Pcv is already ordered, I want a perfect condition car for this stage 1. Wow, stage 1 is no joke. Like I said Monday, I'll make stock logs of the car with working pcv (brand new)
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2016, 07:10:09 AM »
Here it is, my bts maps might be off? Can someone check them if you get time. Thanks
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2016, 09:12:12 AM »
Guys I think we should outline some basic differences, like what we are using for checksums,
what we are using for tuning, and other problems such as why these files cannot be crossflashed.

The other stage1 threads there are many people using those files as provided.
Unless I'm way off that wont work here unless its the same part number and we are using Mpps.
My understanding of this is not as strong as many others here so I am not the one who should explain it.
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2016, 02:06:01 PM »
No need to mess with TULVx

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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2016, 05:50:20 PM »
I think instead of posting up the actual files, just screenshot/tables of your changes would be better.
I'm guessing most of the maps will be similar stock for all K03 2.0T FSI cars.

People wanting to use the tune will need to find the maps and do checksums themselves.
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2016, 06:06:02 PM »
Quote from: bobbyz0r on July 10, 2016, 05:50:20 PM
I think instead of posting up the actual files, just screenshot/tables of your changes would be better.

That's going to be a lot of pictures...

(KFMLDMX)Max Load for diagnosis;"KFMLDMX";"9x8"
(NMAX) RPM Limit;"NMAX";"1x1"
(KFMIRL)map for calculation of nominal charge;"KFMIRL";"12x16"
(KFMIRLS)map for calculation of nominal charge;"KFMIRLS";"12x16"
(KFPLGUB)Base boost pressure for Base of Ambient;"KFPLGUB";"8x8"
(KFVPDKLD)Maximum allowable pressure ratio for DK LDRA diagnosis;"KFVPDKLD";"12x10"
(KLDLUL)Threshold negative deviation of boost pressure for detecting overcharge pressure;"KLDLUL";"8x1"
(KFFLLDE)Factor for slow LDR intervention on rlmax via KR;"KFFLLDE";"8x8"
(KFTARX)IAT correction for maximum specified load;"KFTARX";"10x12"
(KFTARXB) Underlying IAT Compensation for Maximum Specified Load;"KFTARXB";"10x12"
(NMAX) RPM Limit;"NMAX";"1x1"
(KFMIRL)map for calculation of nominal charge;"KFMIRL";"12x16"
(KFMIRLS)map for calculation of nominal charge;"KFMIRLS";"12x16"
(KFPLGUB)Base boost pressure for Base of Ambient;"KFPLGUB";"8x8"
(KFVPDKLD)Maximum allowable pressure ratio for DK LDRA diagnosis;"KFVPDKLD";"12x10"
(KFFSLDE)Factor for rapid LDR intervention;"KFFSLDE";"8x8"
(KLDLUL)Threshold negative deviation of boost pressure for detecting overcharge pressure;"KLDLUL";"8x1"
(LDELDRAO)Upper limit for low-pass filtered LDR deviation;"LDELDRAO";"1x1"
(KFTARX)IAT correction for maximum specified load;"KFTARX";"10x12"
(DLUL)delta-load for overload protection-reset;"DLUL";"1x1"
(TDLDEUK)Time threshold for filtering of LDR deviation;"TDLDEUK";"1x1"
(TDLDRA2Time threshold for Day LDR - deviation (B_mxldra);"TDLDRA2";"1x1"
(TDLKVDKH)Time delay for deleting error code for leak in front of thorttle body;"TDLKVDKH";"1x1"
(TDLKVDKL)Time delay set by E_lkvdk in charge mode;"TDLKVDKL";"1x1"
(TDLKVDKLL)Time delay set by the suction E_lkvdk lower threshold;"TDLKVDKLL";"1x1"
(TDLKVDKS)Time delay set by the suction E_lkvdk;"TDLKVDKS";"1x1"
(TDLKVDKST)Time delay set to launch at the end of E_lkvdk;"TDLKVDKST";"1x1"
(TDLKVDKT)Time delay set by E_lkvdk in charge mode from idle speed  = true;"TDLKVDKT";"1x1"
(TULV1)delay overcharge cutoff, ti fade out step 1;"TULV1";"1x1"
(TULV3)Delay time for reset overload error;"TULV3";"1x1"
(KFFLLDE)Factor for slow LDR intervention on rlmax via KR;"KFFLLDE";"8x8"
(KFFWLLDE)Weighing Factor for LDR intervention on rlmax via KR;"KFFWLLDE";"8x8"
(KFTARXB) Underlying IAT Compensation for Maximum Specified Load;"KFTARXB";"10x12"
(KFTARXZK)IAT Compensation for Maximum Specified Load during knock;"KFTARXZK";"10x12"
(LDORXNHDR)maximum filling LDR at rail pressure control(error);"LDORXNHDR";"8x1"
(LDORXN)maximum filling LDR at E_ldo (overcharge error);"LDORXN";"8x1"
LDR p-Limit At zu high Engine temperature;"LDPBN";"8x1"
(KFFKRXTM)Factor to correct for rlmax at high engine temperature;"KFFKRXTM";"4x4"
(KFLDHBN) Boost Pressure Limit(Max. Pressure Ratio);"KFLDHBN";"8x8"
(LDRXN)maximum specified load/boost;"LDRXN";"16x1"
(LDRXNZK) maximum specified load/boost during knock;"LDRXNZK";"16x1"
(KFLDRL)Map for linearisation boost pressure =f(TV);"KFLDRL";"10x16"
(KFLBTS)Nominal Lambda for component protection;"KFLBTS";"12x16"
(LAMFA)Desired Lambda;"LAMFA";"6x15"
(VMAXESP)Maximum permissible speed if ESP fails;"VMAXESP";"1x1"
(VMAXNB)Maximum allowable vehicle speed in normal operation;"VMAXNB";"1x1"
(NMAXDVG)Speed limit for automatic transmission error signal;"NMAXDVG";"8x1"
(NMAXGA)Maximum permitted engine speed (stationary);"NMAXGA";"8x1"
(NMAXNL)Max engine speed for failure of speed Transmitter;"NMAXNL";"1x1"
(NMAXOGGA)Maximum permitted engine speed (short-term rise);"NMAXOGGA";"8x1"
(NMAXTO)Speed Limit at high oil temperature;"NMAXTO";"4x1"
Characteristic Maximum Limit Rail pressure Setpoint;"KLPRMAX";"6x1"
code word: catalyst diagnosis in OBDII-mode (reverse: European mode);"CDKATSP";"1x1"
(KFMLDMX)Max Load for diagnosis;"KFMLDMX";"9x8"
Timing map;"KFZW";"12x16"
Timing map Variant 2;"KFZW2";"12x16"
Setpoint Rail pressure in Operating mode Homogeneously-Knock prevention;"KFPRSOLHKS";"8x8"
Setpoint Rail pressure im Homogeneous mode;"KFPRSOLHOM";"8x8"
Setpoint Rail pressure im Shifts;"KFPRSOLSCH";"8x8"
Klopferkennungsfaktorkennfeld cylinder counter 0;"KFKE0";"4x16"
Klopferkennungsfaktorkennfeld cylinder counter 1;"KFKE1";"4x16"
Klopferkennungsfaktorkennfeld cylinder counter 2;"KFKE2";"4x16"
Klopferkennungsfaktorkennfeld cylinder counter 3;"KFKE3";"4x16"
Lower stationary Lambda limit for HOM;"LAMNHOMN";"8x1"
Threshold Exhaust temperature im Manifold for Component protection;"TAIKRBTS";"1x1"
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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2016, 06:25:02 PM »
I wiped my pc and need to get my kp to xdf working so i can make a nice diy
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