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« Reply #75 on: February 07, 2017, 08:04:13 PM »

Sorry
But I don't think RBPE's is enough skilled at C16x programming, nor has he claimed to be. But he is rather active in finding info about the various VR6 24v files and hunting offsets in Winols. I can't see the need to talk more about sy_turbo in this thread, or any thread really.  Smiley

These types of comments are totally inappropriate, condescending and disrespectful speculation with zero basis for your conclusion. How could anyone know what another person is capable of be it coding or anything else?

The point of my comment was there are more than one means to achieve a goal with ME7 and people are free to follow the road less traveled including the OP who desires a viable solution for his specific needs.
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« Reply #76 on: February 08, 2017, 02:18:35 AM »

One problem many people are talking about when it comes to stand alone is DSG/CAN signals..  What signals does DSG need to work without the OEM ECU.... I could program an Arduino and a CAN shield to FAKE or emulate these signals.. But i dont know what signals and what the addresses are so forth and so on...  IF that were possible I would go for a standalone.  I could make my own VEMS Plug n Play ECU.

Who here have opened the source code from the St10 R32? Has it even been done? I haven't even bothered yet thats why im asking..  Are you using IDA PRO? Im not a pro ASM programmer but I want to check it out.. Any tutorials on disassemble ECUs and what is in that processor..?
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« Reply #77 on: February 08, 2017, 04:04:24 AM »

Really wasting my time on here. The guys that have the most knowledge, and can answer a question so quickly, rather choose to tell a person how they wasting their time, and try prove others wrong. From the posts ive read back in 2012 etc, everyone tried to help. Now its a matter of arguing, and then paying for help.
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« Reply #78 on: February 08, 2017, 05:44:58 AM »

These types of comments are totally inappropriate, condescending and disrespectful speculation with zero basis for your conclusion. How could anyone know what another person is capable of be it coding or anything else?

The point of my comment was there are more than one means to achieve a goal with ME7 and people are free to follow the road less traveled including the OP who desires a viable solution for his specific needs.

The only thing you have posted in this thread is mindless technobabble, bullshit and asskissing. You are not contributing in the least to it.
Feel free to be offended and call me rude. I don't care.

Really wasting my time on here. The guys that have the most knowledge, and can answer a question so quickly, rather choose to tell a person how they wasting their time, and try prove others wrong. From the posts ive read back in 2012 etc, everyone tried to help. Now its a matter of arguing, and then paying for help.
As I said before. R32 turbo is the most difficult project you can undertake on the ME7 ecu.
There are very few people in the world who can do it right and these people do this stuff for a living.

Why would I or anyone else for that matter work for free?

That said - this thread has deteriorated far beyond the original question.
Your original question is fueling under boost. This is the same as ANY other ME7 ECU. This is detailed in the FR and also on nyet's wiki.
Fueling and timing is NOT handled in any special way by a NA ME7 compared to a turbo ME7.

So really, your question should be "how to tune fueling on ME7". Because the fact that it is a R32 ecu and that it is boosted makes zero difference on the fueling side of things.

With the boosted R32 to do the tuning right is:
1. Locate the lambda post turbo and copy the fuel trims from bank 1 to bank 2 in the code.
2. Add some code to emulate the function of KFVPDKSE. Can be simply if pssol_w > KL(nmot_w) go WOT.
3. Add a pre-throttle sensor and multiply the incoming air by the pressure difference over the throttle plate. Alternatively model it, by specifying a factor based on KF(nmot_w, ps_w) calibrated empirically.
4. Add code for boost control, so ECU has some means of targeting and maintaining pssol_w apart from closing the throttle. I have controlled pressure off of the MAF (ps_w) so it works like M3.8.3/M5.9.2 and also by replacing the MAF by a manifold pressure sensor.
5. If you need more than 1.5 bar boost, then the 5120 mod.

But none of these things have anything to do with fueling per se. If you are not running more than 1.5 bar and you have pre-turbo lambdas then the rest is load/throttle control only.

The reason your fueling is bad is because:
1) Request - are you requesting correct lambda? This is as simple as changing LAMFA and rescaling KFLBTS to accomodate the higher load points + adjust the BTS triggers a little. But for lower boost you can just target 0.8 with LAMFA and it'll get you 95% of the way there.

2) Actual:
* Hardware - is your fuel pressure alright? Do you have a returnable fuel system? Do you have a vacuum controlled FPR? Does your pump provide enough pressure?
* Software - is your MAF scaled right? Are your injectors scaled right? What about correction maps such as FKKVS? KFLF? KFKHFM?

Remember - you are entitled to nothing. No one has to answer any of your questions. If you can't figure stuff out from the FR, then forget doing this, fit a standalone ecu and save yourself all the hassle. If you just want to get it done, then I am sure in every corner of a world there is at least one specialist who can get this done. Dump the car there, pay money, pick it up when it's done. You have been so far asking about really basic things. Things that are very easy to figure out from looking at the fr for lamfa_w, lambts_w and lamsbg_w paths.

Also this thread is lacking proper logs. Without correct logging you can forget doing this.
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« Reply #79 on: February 14, 2017, 09:38:54 AM »

Howsit PRJ, shot for some laka info!

Look i didnt mean that im entitled to info at all, and as you can see im asking the most basic of things, I didnt ask how to tune this ecu. Further on in the thread, I said that i have it fueling on BTS maps, but it wasnt requesting what I wanted.

eg. if i have my KFLBTS maps set to 0.8, most the time it would request values around it.

I eventually found that im missing the KFFDLBTS map, so all i actually ended up asking for was some help on locating that map in my file.

As for tuning with lamfa, (my stock map calls for 13.2 @ WOT). If i change that 13.2 value even slightly, my car just dumps fuel, requests under 10 afr ><...Hence why im trying to tune with BTS maps for now.

Also just to add a few things,

I do have a return fuel line, with a rising rate FPR, with a bosch044 pump and surge tank. MAF and injectors are scaled in.

So to summarize my question, is there anyone willing to help locate my KFFDLBTS map/s please lol
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« Reply #80 on: February 14, 2017, 11:31:17 AM »

im asking the most basic of things, I didnt ask how to tune this ecu.

You should have BEFORE you started this project...
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« Reply #81 on: February 14, 2017, 12:45:24 PM »

27BAA KFDLBTS
27BDC KFDLBTSGRL
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« Reply #82 on: February 14, 2017, 01:36:23 PM »

I noticed on my 3.2T that i had to raise the TAGBTS a bit to not run into that.. I raised the limit 200 degrees. The ECU went into BTS map to soon in my opinion. I calibrated LAMFA and KFBAKL(Accelereation enrichment) to land on target.. Im running E85 on mine so thats a bit diffrent. E85 is not that sensitive when running rich it seems.. but to rich I feel power loss due to flame speed. I tried to balance it to keep the engine cool and not to rich.. I wanted to keep TAGBTS at a safe level it a nice safety net.

My FKKVS is flat and im using a return line with a custom fuel rail with 4bar FPR from A4 1.8T. I logged my fuel trims aswell and adjusted KFKMH.. I logged long term fuel trims and reduces/increased KFKMH in the areas where it was needed.. I only focused at partial throttle.

The worst problems for me have been the lack of log tools.. I log in VCDS (Turbo Mode) But i think this sample rate is to slow to see what happens.. bugs me..
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« Reply #83 on: February 14, 2017, 02:25:43 PM »

Thanks so much turbojohan!!!! Finally can start making some progress again lol

Driving me nuts with all the maps that im actually missing! I dont have KFBAKL neither, does that map eliminate the initial 'bog' when going WOT at low rpm? If E85 was easy to get down here  i would move over to it so fast! I also started with my KFKHFM map now, i rate vcds in turbo mode works ok!

I put my stock manifold back on, what a difference Roll Eyes AFR running around 11.5, around 18 advance with water injection, and 0.6bar...Almost 40kw and 70nm difference! Now at 280kw and 570nm. Trying to get a decent base map before i start upping the boost. Probably going to take atleast 10 years to get that right haha

I dont mean to be dumb, but what is KFDLBTSGRL? google doesnt give me anything :/
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« Reply #84 on: February 14, 2017, 02:52:32 PM »

Gear depending bts


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« Reply #85 on: February 26, 2017, 03:54:29 PM »

PRJ you mentioned make the throttle valve follow the pedal. What maps are involved here. As i understand we cant get the requested torque correct if we dont have added code to the ECU. Im running dsg, is it possible to make the throttle follow the pedalrequest more lite a cable car?  I can sense the car like it wont give me what i request.
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« Reply #86 on: February 27, 2017, 08:01:47 AM »

KFPED and variants; "Relative Driver Demand Torque From Accelerator Pedal"  Search the site; plenty of references.

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« Reply #87 on: February 27, 2017, 08:43:26 AM »

KFPED and variants; "Relative Driver Demand Torque From Accelerator Pedal"  Search the site; plenty of references.



KFPED and variants (There are variants of this map yes Sport mode and so on).. That map doesn't control throttle plate it requests throttle opening. You go search forum yer self m8. I already have searched. Didnt find anything otherwise i wouldn't have asked that question.

Question is still active... Someone else?
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« Reply #88 on: February 27, 2017, 08:57:20 AM »

No map directly controls the throttle plate.  KFPED sets the response you get depending on accelerator panel by translating wped into mrfa.  Based on what you said "I can sense the car like it wont give me what i request" that's the obvious thing to try.
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« Reply #89 on: February 27, 2017, 01:58:41 PM »

maybe prj means CWMDAPP bit 1 (B_fpwdkap) and FPWDKAPP ?
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