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« on: November 10, 2019, 06:51:38 AM »
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Hi,
I have installed a 5 bar fpr to get a little bit extra from stock injectors. With the larger cc per injector due to more pressure am I to calculate a new KRKTE or use stock and change TVUB values or both. Or what changes should I make?
Any help appreciated
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dilly
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2019, 05:44:35 PM »
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someone correct if wrong but krkte is the constant which you will need to adjust. tvub is the voltage offset which shouldn't have to be changed because it is still a stock injector
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nyet
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2019, 06:04:34 PM »
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Latency goes up a very small amount with pressure.
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dilly
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2019, 10:08:54 PM »
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Latency goes up a very small amount with pressure.
calculated? or manually fine tuned until it is correct? |
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nyet
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2019, 10:59:31 PM »
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calculated? or manually fine tuned until it is correct?
Some injector sheets have a scaling constant vs pressure with their latency specs. Some don't... |
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2019, 08:13:43 AM »
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Thanks for the replies,my calculated krkte is as follows
original 349cc = .0975
5 bar FPR (400cc) = .085
(just for info the car has a Bosch 044 fuel pump and a crushed 4bar fpr to 5 bar)
I have inputted this into KRKTE and am getting lean on both banks partial load (23%) and idle (-10). This is after trying to rectify the issue with FKKVS which made no difference.
I have found a spreadsheet (attached) to calculate a given krkte and tvub based on fuel trims and the resultant krkte and tvub is as follows:
KRKTE: .1110
TVUB :
7.04 : 1.28
10.07 : 0.46
12.04 : 0.28
14.08 : 0.21
17.88 : 0.13
I know that the KRKTE is wrong as it should be lower if using larger injectors but I inputted the values and drove the car around and now the fuel trims are perfect and car is running great on idle and part load, although a lot of banging off throttle (too rich with high KRKTE)
Should I log a run and see how car is running or refrain from going WOT? Very confused as to how this is happening
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2019, 08:49:19 AM »
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What boost pressure are you targetting? 5 bar + boost pressure could easily be 7 bar. Can your pump actually support a good flow at 7 bar?!
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2019, 09:40:42 AM »
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Please supply a proper log.
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2019, 10:21:40 AM »
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I don't see how you go from 349cc to 400cc.
If 349cc is given at 4 bar pressure:
% expr sqrt(5.0/4.0)*349
390.1938620737133
KRKTE should be:
% expr 0.975/sqrt(5.0/4.0)
0.872066511224918
3 bar pressure:
% expr sqrt(5.0/3.0)*349
450.5570626087962
% expr 0.975/sqrt(5.0/3.0)
0.7552317525104463
No reason to touch FKKVS, TVUB will need a bump of 2-4%.
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2019, 11:38:53 AM »
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I've seen injectors with 0.20 ms @ 14v to 0.40 ms increase on lower voltage when going up in pressure , obviously not stock injectors but something to keep in mind. Regardless,calculated values and fuel trim adjustment should get you in the 5% stft area.
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2019, 03:00:33 PM »
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As suspected PIG RICH,
Thanks prj for the KRKTE values, I was incorrect. I inputted the new value and upped tvub by 4%. I will post a full log but it does still look like partial trims are +10 on both banks. Can I adjust tvub on certain voltages to account for this?
EDIT: went for a drive but couldn’t get a log but checked fuel trims on vagcom and they were -5 idle and +18 partial
Any hints on what could be causing this?
Will post a log tomorrow
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2019, 02:18:09 AM »
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... a crushed 4bar fpr to 5 bar)
Have you measured static pressure? Is it actually 5 bar? Also, can your pump sustain +7bar at a decent flow? Flow rate PLUMMITS when you ask for loads of pressure... |
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2019, 04:00:31 AM »
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Static pressure i have checked without vac (gauge inline reads 5.2bar)
The fuel pump is a genuine Bosch 044 delivers 200LPH at 5bar and has a max working pressure of 12bar, so i would assume its within its capabilities though i have not ran the car with the gauge attached to see pressure while driving.
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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2019, 09:14:10 AM »
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See attached Log 1
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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2019, 09:23:34 AM »
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See attached Log 2
Apologies on the two post's, could not upload the two logs on the same post for some reason.
Log 1 is done with calculated prj's krkte 0.875 (after run vagcom 032 showed partial +22)
Log 2 is krkte + 15% primary via lemmiwinks (after run vagcom 032 partial is 7%)
I know i do not have a wideband which is needed but still confused at the whole lot because injectors arent maxxed (duty cycle 75% max). But partial trims are still looking for more fuel. Can anyone shine a light on it? Is this a hardware issue i.e. fuel pressure reg or fuel pump or mad MAF?
I also have a few questions about engine load being so low along with MAF values being low & boost not sustaining 18psi (wg duty cycle dropping off). Are they being regulated by knock or AFR?
Any help appreciated
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« Last Edit: November 14, 2019, 09:49:24 AM by streacy »
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