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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2020, 11:16:58 PM »

Please help me with good advices.
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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2020, 11:24:21 PM »

It’s not so much of the difference of .2 bar on the spring as it’s the mannerisms of the turbo. The stock tables are setup to where the throttle is unassisted from 2250 or so at 1.3 PR.... the turbo he has needs more assistance from throttle to get up into the curve... needs to descale his pressure axis for the table and then play with the values in the cell to have it go to .95 value at whatever rpm his turbo makes gate pressure (1.499 PR).    It’s in the s4 wiki under “tuning for wastegate cracking pressures”

In my video I was cruising at 2600rpm at start. I can dig the log out if necassary. When he gets the KFVPDSD and KVPDSE tables reinged in to where car is happy, spool can be dropped using lamfa and vvt with this turbo.

I have no reason to misinterpret or misrepresent my numbers when I’m trying to help the guy since he setup is quite similar to mine it seems.
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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2020, 02:05:44 AM »

Please help me with good advices.
Thanks to all.
It's a hardware problem
Also what's the reason youre running cam advance at full boost?
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2020, 05:20:11 AM »

Hi Fukenbroken
Hardware problem? Please tell me is Turbo (too big) or actuator(too soft) or other hardware problem?
Turbo is new genuine Garrett and had only 150km from when i installed on my car.
Cam advanced is stock vvt from my file. I only increase a little advance on the final rows in KFZW and KFZW2
Many thanks again for your time
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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2020, 08:05:46 AM »

Today i made another log with other IMX settings and is less like yesterday
I attached the log and the imx table
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« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2020, 09:22:21 AM »

ridiculous. why is your request maxed out when it is clearly stated over and over not to do that?

And you're not even in the ballpark for IMX

what exactly are you doing?

you're not even *logging* any of the PID variables, how can you get any idea whatsoever what you should set imx to?

Does any of this look ok to you?

You need to go back to basics, I'm not sure you understand any of this
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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2020, 09:49:07 AM »

You have 22° ignition during spool?  Lower that to something closer to DTC you will have better spool.  Also you can try with leaner AFR for faster spool
And you need a lot of more reading this forum, about boost PID and req load
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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2020, 11:37:31 AM »

Thanks for your answers.
NYET don't understand me wrong but i dont understand exactly your questions.
First i try to keep closed the wastegate with imx 95 values for my exhaust gas to enter only in turbin and not exit from wasteagte.
Second this not look ok for me, nut i have a difference between yesterday and today , yesterday i tried higher values in imx and the spool and request was greater than today.
Tommorow will put in log the PID var.

BlackT thanks you too.
I increased all ignition for spool because i think was good , but maybe i wrong. I'll put stock kfzw and kfzw2 in my file.
About AFR i'm very confused because i want to follow LAMFA because i made these
tabgts is set to 800
cwlambts = 0
fbstabgm is
700           820           860            900
0.0000   0.0000   1.0158   1.0158
and KFFDLBTS is set all values = 0

I don't know what happen after 5333 rpm when my afr not follow requested. Myeb the injectors not good? maybe the fuel pump is old and don't make its work?

Sincerly i think is a problem from a bad garrett genuine stock actuator with 0.4-0.5 bar spring.

Thanks again to all!
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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2020, 12:40:55 PM »

WTF? literally none of your post makes sense. I don't think you understand anything about how boost control works, please stop futzing with your file and learn how PIDs work before going any further. But I'm getting ahead of myself:

Start with my first sentence: why are you requesting so much boost? Stop right there. Go no further until your requested boost make sense. Put everything else back to stock except KRKTE/TVUB/MAF related maps.

I mean it.

Finally, your "actuator is bad" babble makes no sense given your WGDC btw. There is nothing in your log to indicate there is anything wrong with your WG or actuator ATM
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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2020, 01:56:41 PM »

You have 22° ignition during spool?  Lower that to something closer to DTC you will have better spool.  Also you can try with leaner AFR for faster spool
And you need a lot of more reading this forum, about boost PID and req load


Better spool with a horrible responce
Personally im doing 30+ if KR allows
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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2020, 11:32:23 AM »

I don't think this guy understood ANY of what he's talking about. I'd suggest paying someone who understands to do it all for him.
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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2020, 01:03:14 PM »

I don't think this guy understood ANY of what he's talking about. I'd suggest paying someone who understands to do it all for him.

The thing is, all of the basics are actually pretty straight forwards; i've been able to explain EFI and FI fundamentals to people with almost no previous car knowledge.

What is odd is the noobs that come on and don't bother to do any background reading whatsoever, then pop in and make up a bunch of stuff. It's baffling.
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« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2020, 11:37:03 PM »

Hi all.
I know how engine works and i think i understood how me7 works, but maybe i understood wrong and for this i wrote here.
NYET you told me my actuator is ok. I think it is too soft , because i adjust it yesterday and the turbo response faster and made request boost at 4000rpm , From here i must decrease IMX because is too much.
Nyet you told me "why is your request maxed out when it is clearly stated over and over not to do that?"
I want to have 1.5 after 4500 rpm. Where is the problem? it is what i want from my car and my turbo. Because the actual boost not follow requested it is a problem from hardware i think because like i told upstairs after i adjust my actuator the boost was increased without modify anything in my file.
Turbo can not make faster boost like i requested before 3500rpm, maybe here is NYET question why i request soo much boost.
Here if my turbo can not do this before 3500rpm , i'll decrease imx in that area. Correct NYET?
For the moment i left timing like it was.
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« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2020, 08:06:40 AM »

I don't think anyone will help you with the kind of approach you're displaying here. You obviously DID NOT understand how ME7 works if everyone is telling you you're doing it wrong and you keep asking for a simple fix to your problems.
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« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2020, 09:09:20 AM »

Hi all.
I know how engine works and i think i understood how me7 works, but maybe i understood wrong and for this i wrote here.
NYET you told me my actuator is ok. I think it is too soft , because i adjust it yesterday and the turbo response faster and made request boost at 4000rpm , From here i must decrease IMX because is too much.
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Nyet you told me "why is your request maxed out when it is clearly stated over and over not to do that?"
I want to have 1.5 after 4500 rpm. Where is the problem? it is what i want from my car and my turbo. Because the actual boost not follow requested it is a problem from hardware i think because like i told upstairs after i adjust my actuator the boost was increased without modify anything in my file.
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Turbo can not make faster boost like i requested before 3500rpm, maybe here is NYET question why i request soo much boost.
Here if my turbo can not do this before 3500rpm , i'll decrease imx in that area. Correct NYET?

No,

Again, almost every single part of your post is 100% wrong. Not sure how you managed to avoid every single part of my advice, and claim you understand what you're doing.

1) don't request boost close to the pressure sensor limit (let alone past it). Why on earth do you insist on ignoring that advice?
2) Why would you reduce imx if you are underboosting?
3) Why would you reduce imx if you didn't even bother logging it?

Literally all of these topics are discussed in depth in the tuning page and everywhere else on this site.
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